Ken et al.  Perhaps the difference between fossil CCS and BE CCS is intent(?) 
If BE already exists and CCS is added, then that's CO2 mitigation(?) If BECCS 
is installed specifically to generate C negative energy, then that's CDR 
restoration or remediation(?)
While on the subject of semantics, how do you classify CDR methods that reduce 
natural, non-anthro CO2 emissions? For example, if I install CCS on a 
semi-dormant volcano to reduce it's CO2 emissions, am I doing mitigation, 
restoration, remediation, or what?  Ditto for reducing CO2 emissions from 
natural upwelling areas in the ocean? Etc?   It would seem the the overarching 
theme here is methods of atmospheric CO2 management, and we can quibble over 
the sub categories, hopefully not to the detriment of actually doing something 
where the benefits outweigh the risks and costs. 
Greg

 
      From: Ken Caldeira <[email protected]>
 To: [email protected]; "[email protected]" 
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 Subject: Re: [geo] CDR as Mitigation
   
CDR reduces net emissions. 

What is the difference between a coal plant with CCS and a bio energy facility 
without CCS versus a coal plant without CCS and a bio energy facility with CCS?

Why should the addition of CCS be considered mitigation in the first case but 
not in the second case?

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:12 Wil Burns <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Ken Caldeira <[email protected]> wrote:
 
I think of carbon dioxide removal as a form of mitigation and of solar 
geoengineering as an extreme form of adaptation.

I find the characterization of CDR as “mitigation” as both inaccurate and 
ill-advised in the context of discussion of geoengineering as a climate policy 
option. A working definition of the term mitigation, from the UNFCCC 
Secretariat, is “efforts to reduce or prevent emission of greenhouse gases;” 
CDR approaches do not, by definition, reduce or prevent GHG emissions; rather, 
they attempt to sequester emissions once they are released. The consequences of 
this create a fundamentally different situation on the ground than processes 
that prevent release of emissions. For example, the work of Tim Searchinger and 
others demonstrate that production of feedstock for BECCS  may simply result in 
displacement of other carbon reservoirs to compensate for the loss of food and 
forest stocks to meet bioenergy demands. As a consequence, atmospheric 
concentrations of CO2 may not decrease, or might even increase. That’s a far 
different result than what would occur in terms of true mitigation approaches, 
such as fuel-switching, or a rapid transition to renewables. Moreover, BECCS 
could require 20-25% of net primary productivity to be operationalized on a 
large-scale. Additionally, the fact that CDR approaches don’t “mitigate” 
emissions means that said emissions have to be sequestered, which has 
potentially serious implications in terms of things e.g. groundwater integrity, 
or the CO2 may be utilized for enhanced oil recovery, potentially, according to 
the EPA,  producing 3x as much oil as current U.S. reserves. This could result 
in carbon lock-in for decades to come. This isn’t “mitigation” in even the most 
extremely attenuated conception of the term. Don’t get me wrong; given our 
feckless response to climate change, I support CDR research, and potentially, 
deployment. However, I think it’s unfortunate that we portray this as 
“mitigation.” Therein lies the creation of the bugaboo that we know as “moral 
hazard.” While simply characterizing climate geoengineering as a “bridge” to a 
decarbonized future may not create such a hazard, characterizing geoengineering 
as actual “mitigation” assuredly could.   Dr. Wil BurnsCo-Executive Director, 
Forum for Climate Engineering AssessmentA Scholarly Initiative of the School of 
International Service, American University2650 Haste Street, Towle Hall 
#G07Berkeley, CA 94720650.281.9126 (Phone)http://www.dcgeoconsortium.org Blog: 
Teaching Climate/Energy Law & Policy, http://www.teachingclimatelaw.orgTwitter: 
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