Hi all

The change from an untreated cloud to a treated one is much smaller than that from a cloud to clear sky let alone day to night. The contrast change needed to offset double CO2 with 18% low cloud cover is well below the detection threshold of a human eye.

Stephen


On 26/04/2017 17:40, Russell Seitz wrote:
Andrew wrote    On Sunday, April 23, 2017 at 9:40:00 PM UTC-4:

    I don't think hydrosols will behave like CNN, in terms of their
    radiative properties. As I understand it, CCN act to brighten
    existing cloud cover. They won't, therefore, work on cloudless
    days. Likely, relative efficacy will depend on whether acute or
    chronic thermal stress is most important. Furthermore, hydrosols
    will cause a lasting increase in diffuse radiation. In terrestrial
    models, this has impacted NPP.

    I'm no expert on this niche - but that's my initial thoughts.

    Hope it helps


It will take field experiments and further modeling to quantify the Net Photosynthetic Product impact of surface water brightening , but Andrew should bear three things in mind

1. Backscattering light does not have the same effect as casting shade, because most plankton and algae can absorb light in all directions,

2. Hydrosols scatter the infalling light in all directions, - they change the geometry of the euphotic zone in a diffferent manner than extensive cloud cover.

3. Doubling surface brightess at high sun angles , from ~ 7% to 14% reduces the underwater light flux by about 7%, which while obviously significant, is a small reduction relative to full cloud cover, which often reduces surface light more than twice as much, as white clouds in the air can have an albedo of up to .55.- m

It may l accordingly take as much NPP research to sort out the ecological meaning of the physically uncontroversial cloudy day analogy as that of CCN shading of overheated seas , both triopical and circumpolar.



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