Adam Do you refer to "black holes" as "gravitationally completely collapsed objects"?
Snappy terms stick. A On 31 July 2017 at 18:37, Adam Dorr <adamd...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would strongly discourage researchers from using flippant terms such as > "cocktail" rather than more formal descriptors (e.g. "combined" or > "integrated" or "multiple", in this case). Careless terminology is likely > to invite problematic framings in the discourse, which will then present as > obstacles for effective public understand, policymaking, and governance. I > am hoping to have have a paper out later this year or next year that > addresses some of the challenges around CE terminology and framing. > > Best, > > Adam > > -- > Adam Dorr > University of California Los Angeles School of Public Affairs > adamd...@ucla.edu > adamd...@gmail.com > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Christoph Voelker < > christoph.voel...@awi.de> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> this engineering approach of separately switching cocktail components on >> and off is probably not so simple: attribution and detection of climate >> change are notoriously difficult (which has been exploited a lot by climate >> change deniers), with the main problem that both require knowledge of the >> internal climate variability on the time scales considered. A good >> introduction to the subject is the chapter 9.1.2 in the 2007 IPCC report: >> >> https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch9s9-1-2.html >> >> Cheers, Christoph >> >> On 31.07.17 16:23, Stephen Salter wrote: >> >> Hi All >> >> Florian is worried about separating the effects of different components >> of a mixture of cocktails. It should be possible to do this for techniques >> with a high frequency response by turning them on and off with different >> random sequences and correlating the results at different observing >> stations. >> Stephen >> >> On 31/07/2017 12:58, Andrew Lockley wrote: >> >> As long as the effects were largely exclusive, cocktail geoengineering >> could greatly reduce impacts from side effects, as they may have non-linear >> impacts. >> >> For example, techniques A&B have two different side effects, each with >> damages proportional to the square of the dose. Both are equally damaging. >> A combination of the two therefore leads to lower side effects that each >> alone. >> >> A >> >> On 31 Jul 2017 12:53, "Florian Rabitz" <florian.rab...@ktu.lt> wrote: >> >>> I guess a major problem with a cocktail approach would be the >>> amplification of uncertainties. How would we be able to attribute >>> the outcomes to either technique? An increase in global precipitation >>> might result either from the effect of CCT being larger-than-expected >>> or from the effect of aerosols being smaller-than-expected (vice versa >>> for decreasing global precipitation). Seems like this would require >>> a lot of fine-tuning. Also, in my view, the governance implications >>> don't look pretty. >>> >>> Best, >>> Florian >>> >>> On Monday, July 31, 2017 at 1:26:58 AM UTC+3, Andrew Lockley wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.tribuneindia.com/mobi/news/science-technology/res >>>> earchers-propose-cocktail-geo-engineering-to-save-climate/443998.html >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "geoengineering" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in >> Scotland, with registration number SC005336. >> >> >> >> -- >> Christoph Voelker >> Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research >> Am Handelshafen 12 >> 27570 Bremerhaven, Germany >> e: christoph.voel...@awi.de >> t: +49 471 4831 1848 <+49%20471%2048311848> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. 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