Dear Mike,

Another paper on the subject.

Sproul, Julian <https://heatisland.lbl.gov/publications?f%5Bauthor%5D=285>, Man-Pun Wan <https://heatisland.lbl.gov/publications?f%5Bauthor%5D=286>, Benjamin H Mandel <https://heatisland.lbl.gov/staff/benjamin-mandel>, and Arthur H Rosenfeld <https://heatisland.lbl.gov/publications?f%5Bauthor%5D=182>. “Economic Comparison of White, Green, and Black Flat Roofs in the United States” <https://heatisland.lbl.gov/publications/economic-comparison-white-green-and>. Energy and Buildings 71 (2014) 20-27.


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Hashem


On 11/11/2017 10:20 PM, Michael MacCracken wrote:
Thank you very much. The article is right to the point.

Mike


On 11/11/17 8:12 PM, [email protected] wrote:

Mike,

Please look at the following. It may have answered your question.
Hosseini, M. and H. Akbari. “Heating Energy Penalties of Cool Roofs: The Effect of Snow Accumulation on Roof.” Advances in Building Energy Research, 8:1, 1-13, 2014. http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/17512549.2014.890541.


Hashem

Quoting Michael MacCracken <[email protected]>:

Also, it can make a difference if you are in a climate zone that gets
cold in the winter as the darker roof can help with warming in the
winter. I wonder if a good question might be whether having snow on the
roof provides an insulating effect in winter that would make up for
having a while instead of a black roof?

Mike


On 11/11/17 7:03 PM, Andrew Lockley wrote:
Being a pedant, it's important to consider the thermal mass of the  roof, as this makes a big difference to temperature variation.  Variations, in turn, greatly increase perception of discomfort - a  draft is cold, a cave is merely cool.

On 11 Nov 2017 23:27, "John Harte" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

   I assigned that problem as a homework assignment in a course I teach.


   2.  Consider a house in a relatively hot, sunny location such as
   Southern California.

   a. To keep the house cool without air conditioning, and thereby
   reduce energy demand, its inhabitants decide to do one of two things:

     i.  They can paint the roof white, increasing its albedo from
   0.1 to 0.8, or

     ii.  They can grow a green roof, using a productive species of
   grass that will increase the albedo of the roof from 0.1 to 0.2
   and that, if watered and fertilized adequately, will cool the
   house by transpiration.  The rate of transpiration can be
   estimated from the following: for every kg of grass produced, 300
   kg of water are transpired, and the grass grows with an overall
   photosynthetic efficiency of 1%.

   a. Ignoring the issue of water supply, which of these strategies
   (i. or ii.) will result in a cooler house?  (20 pts.)

   Solution: 2. a.  First, let?s examine the effect of painting the
   roof white. We?ll assume an average solar flux on the roof of 250
   watts/m^2 (if you assumed anything between 170 and 300 we will
   accept it.).  By changing the albedo from 0.1 to 0.8, the home is
   avoiding the absorption of 0.7 (250) = *175 watts/m^2 *, *which is
   the benefit of plan i.*  For plan ii., we need to estimate NPP on
   the roof first. At 1% of available energy, the plants are
   converting 2.5 watts/m^2 to biomass. Over a year, this is (2.5
   joules/sec-m^2 ) x (3.1 x 107 sec) = 77.5 x megajoules/m^2
   incorporated into biomass.  Using the conversion: of 16
   megajoules(dry biomass) per kg, we find that biomass is produced
   at an annual rate of  77.5/16 = 4.8 kg (dry biomass0/m^2 . Now
   using the 300:1 ratio of transpired water to photosynthesized
   biomass, we get 4.8 x 300 = 1450 kg(transpired water)/year.
   Transpiring a kilogram of water requires about 2.4 x 10^6 joules
   (see COW Appendix) and so each year about 2.4 x 10^6 x 1450 = 3.5
   x 10^9 joules/m^2 annually are causing transpiration rather than
   heating the house.  Expressed in power units, this is 3.5 x 10^9
   (joules/m^2 )/3.1 x 10^7 sec= *113 watts/m^2 , which is the
   transpiration benefit of plan ii. *But there is also a small
   albedo benefit of grass versus dark shingle, so we get an
   additional benefit which is 1/7 of the plan i. benefit (due to an
   albedo increase of 0.1 rather than 0.7), so now we have 113 +
   (1/7) 175 = *138 watts/m^2 , which is the albedo benefit of plan
   ii.* *So plan i. wins by a little. *


   The problem went on to evaluate the added benefit if you burn the
   grass on the roof for fuel.

   I actually replaced my dark shingle roof this autumn with
   light-colored composition shingle.  It makes a huge difference!



   John Harte
   Professor of Ecosystem Sciences
   ERG/ESPM
   310 Barrows Hall
   University of California
   Berkeley, CA 94720  USA
   [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>



   On Nov 11, 2017, at 2:22 PM, Russell Seitz
   <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

   How do green roofs, which cool by evapotransportation  ( rooftop
   lawns require water much as those on the ground do) compare in
   cooling efficiency  with higher albedo white roofs combined with
    an equal volume of water spraying when the sun is high?

   On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 12:16:10 AM UTC-5, E Durbrow
   wrote:


       Perhaps, tangental. Seville planners think they can cool
       their city despite significant temperature increase with
       204-700 hectares of green roofs.

       Summary:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171110113938.htm
<https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/11/171110113938.htm>


       Comment: My layperson?s understanding is that it is very
       difficult to predict and simulate city-wide changes in
       temperature when a modification (e.g. reflective roofs, green
       space, etc) occurs. I though I remember that reading that
       reflective roofs might have no effect on local temperature
       (city?s micro-climate). Modelers, is this the case?


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