Didn't Edward Teller go to Alaska to try to convince a small town to let him enlarge their harbor using nuclear bombs?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 1:17 PM Jim Fleming <[email protected]> wrote: > Fixing the Sky, p. 194: "In 1945 Julian Huxley, then head of UNESCO, spoke > at Madison Square Garden about the possibilities of using nuclear weapons > as “atomic dynamite” for “landscaping the Earth” or perhaps using them to > change the climate by dissolving the polar ice cap." > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 3:09 PM Jessica Gurevitch < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hadn't heard this.....yes, this would indeed be geoengineering (of >> weather, with unintended climate consequences).....it just gets crazier and >> crazier..... >> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >> <#m_8476153105062870274_m_9073983712923873444_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 1:35 AM Andrew Lockley <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Poster's note: obliquely relevant as MCB is potentially able to >>> influence hurricanes >>> >>> Axios: Trump suggested dropping nuclear bombs into hurricanes to stop >>> them from hitting the U.S.. >>> >>> https://www.axios.com/trump-nuclear-bombs-hurricanes-97231f38-2394-4120-a3fa-8c9cf0e3f51c.html >>> >>> Scoop: Trump suggested nuking hurricanes to stop them from hitting >>> U.S.[image: >>> Illustration of Trump pressing nuclear button] >>> Illustration: Lazaro Gamio/Axios >>> >>> President Trump has suggested multiple times to senior Homeland >>> Security and national security officials that they explore using nuclear >>> bombs to stop hurricanes from hitting the United States, according to >>> sources who have heard the president's private remarks and been briefed on >>> a National Security Council memorandum that recorded those comments. >>> >>> Behind the scenes: During one hurricane briefing at the White House, >>> Trump said, "I got it. I got it. Why don't we nuke them?" according to one >>> source who was there. "They start forming off the coast of Africa, as >>> they're moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the >>> hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can't we do that?" the source added, >>> paraphrasing the president's remarks. >>> >>> - Asked how the briefer reacted, the source recalled he said >>> something to the effect of, "Sir, we'll look into that." >>> - Trump replied by asking incredulously how many hurricanes the U.S. >>> could handle and reiterating his suggestion that the government intervene >>> before they make landfall. >>> - The briefer "was knocked back on his heels," the source in the >>> room added. "You could hear a gnat fart in that meeting. People were >>> astonished. After the meeting ended, we thought, 'What the f---? What do >>> we >>> do with this?'" >>> >>> Trump also raised the idea in another conversation with a senior >>> administration official. A 2017 NSC memo describes that second >>> conversation, in which Trump asked whether the administration should bomb >>> hurricanes to stop them from hitting the homeland. A source briefed on the >>> NSC memo said it does not contain the word "nuclear"; it just says the >>> president talked about bombing hurricanes. >>> >>> - The source added that this NSC memo captured "multiple topics, not >>> just hurricanes. … It wasn't that somebody was so terrified of the >>> bombing >>> idea that they wrote it down. They just captured the president’s >>> comments." >>> - The sources said that Trump's "bomb the hurricanes" idea — which >>> he floated early in the first year and a bit of his presidency before >>> John >>> Bolton took over as national security adviser — went nowhere and never >>> entered a formal policy process. >>> >>> White House response: A senior administration official said, "We don't >>> comment on private discussions that the president may or may not have had >>> with his national security team." >>> >>> - A different senior administration official, who has been briefed >>> on the president's hurricane bombing suggestion, defended Trump's idea >>> and >>> said it was no cause for alarm. "His goal — to keep a catastrophic >>> hurricane from hitting the mainland — is not bad," the official said. >>> "His >>> objective is not bad." >>> - "What people near the president do is they say 'I love a president >>> who asks questions like that, who’s willing to ask tough questions.' ... >>> It >>> takes strong people to respond to him in the right way when stuff like >>> this >>> comes up. For me, alarm bells weren't going off when I heard about it, >>> but >>> I did think somebody is going to use this to feed into 'the president is >>> crazy' narrative." >>> >>> The big picture: Trump didn't invent this idea. The notion that >>> detonating a nuclear bomb over the eye of a hurricane could be used to >>> counteract convection currents dates to the Eisenhower era, when it was >>> floated by a government scientist. >>> >>> - The idea keeps resurfacing in the public even though scientists >>> agree it won't work. The myth has been so persistent that the National >>> Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the U.S. government agency that >>> predicts changes in weather and the oceans, published an online fact >>> sheet for the public <https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/C5c.html> under >>> the heading "Tropical Cyclone Myths Page." >>> - The page states: "Apart from the fact that this might not even >>> alter the storm, this approach neglects the problem that the released >>> radioactive fallout would fairly quickly move with the tradewinds to >>> affect >>> land areas and cause devastating environmental problems. Needless to say, >>> this is not a good idea." >>> >>> About 3 weeks after Trump's 2016 election, National Geographic published >>> <https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/11/hurricanes-weather-history-nuclear-weapons/> >>> an >>> article titled, "Nuking Hurricanes: The Surprising History of a Really Bad >>> Idea." It found, among other problems, that: >>> >>> - Dropping a nuclear bomb into a hurricane would be banned under the >>> terms of the Peaceful Nuclear Explosions Treaty between the U.S. and the >>> former Soviet Union. So that could stave off any experiments, as long as >>> the U.S. observes the terms of the treaty. >>> >>> Atlantic hurricane season runs until Nov. 30. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "geoengineering" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CAJ3C-04XLOrj8p%3DQ%3DK0Y7_q0G%2B2F7aPaX0jy%2B-v_yW4E1jG5xA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CAJ3C-04XLOrj8p%3DQ%3DK0Y7_q0G%2B2F7aPaX0jy%2B-v_yW4E1jG5xA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >> <#m_8476153105062870274_m_9073983712923873444_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "geoengineering" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CA%2BPtSAMJYDzP6xgacfGDn1Vk4Jv%2BfjrPV19k%2B%2BZ_NSRr1S_5hQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/geoengineering/CA%2BPtSAMJYDzP6xgacfGDn1Vk4Jv%2BfjrPV19k%2B%2BZ_NSRr1S_5hQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > James R. 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