Dear Oliver,

you may also refer to https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017GL074647 (figures 2 & 3) though I have always felt our model overwarms the stratosphere in response to the stratospheric aerosols probably due to a RT model that is not sophisticated enough. The heating is due to both absorption by the aerosols but also by additional absorption by ozone due to the longer photon path in the aerosol plume. I've never seen a proper quantification of both effects.

All the best,

Olivier

Le 14/05/2021 à 22:33, Wingenter, Oliver a écrit :
Alan
Does the temperature of the tropopause change? What is the impact, if any, on the stratospheric exchange time? I am thinking about the effect on CFCs, CH4, and stratospheric chemistry. Is there a paper on this? Does added sulfate from SO2 injection into the stratosphere warm the stratosphere significantly?

Regards
Oliver Wingenter

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 12:44 AM Andrew Lockley <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I'm interested to understand the effect on SRM. Eg more technical
    difficulties with lofting, earlier rain out, etc. I'd welcome
    discussion.

    Andrew

    On Thu, 13 May 2021, 14:41 Alan Robock ☮,
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        This is certainly not unexpected.  We wrote a paper on this 25
        years ago:

        Vinnikov, Konstantin Ya., Alan Robock, Ronald J. Stouffer and
        Syukuro Manabe, 1996: Vertical patterns of free and forced
        climate variations. /Geophys. Res. Lett./, *23*, 1801-1804.
        http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/VinnikovVertical96GL01736.pdf
        <http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/pdf/VinnikovVertical96GL01736.pdf>

        And I don't think it is an important reason to do CDR. There
        are other good reasons, but this does not affect us nearly as
        much as other impacts of global warming.

        Alan

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        On 5/13/2021 6:33 AM, Andrew Lockley wrote:

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        From: *Tom Goreau* <[email protected]
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        Date: Thu, 13 May 2021, 11:03
        Subject: [CDR] CO2 shrinks the stratosphere
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        *Yet another unexpected reason why CDR is needed!*

        **

        *Stratospheric contraction caused by increasing greenhouse gases*

        To cite this article before publication: Petr Pisoft et al
        2021 Environ. Res. Lett. in press
        https://doi.org/10.1088/1748-9326/abfe2b
        <https://doi.org/10.1088/1748-9326/abfe2b>

        P. Pisoft1 , P. Sacha1,2, L. M. Polvani3 , J. A. Añel4 , L.
        de la Torre4 , R. Eichinger1,5,6, U. Foelsche7 , P. Huszar1 ,
        C. Jacobi8 , J. Karlicky1,2, A. Kuchar1,8, J. Miksovsky1 , M.
        Zak1 , H. E. Rieder2

        _Abstract_ Rising emissions of anthropogenic greenhouse gases
        (GHG) have led to tropospheric warming and stratospheric
        cooling over recent decades. As a thermodynamic consequence,
        the troposphere has expanded and the rise of the tropopause,
        the boundary between the troposphere and stratosphere, has
        been suggested as one of the most robust fingerprints of
        anthropogenic climate change. Conversely, at altitudes above
        ~55 km (in the mesosphere and thermosphere) observational and
        modeling evidence indicates a downward shift of the height of
        pressure levels or decreasing density at fixed altitudes. The
        layer in between, the stratosphere, has not been studied
        extensively with respect to changes of its global structure.
        Here we show that this atmospheric layer has contracted
        substantially over the last decades, and that the main driver
        for this are increasing concentrations of GHG. Using data
        from coupled chemistry-climate models we show that this trend
        will continue and the mean climatological thickness of the
        stratosphere will decrease by 1.3 km following representative
        concentration pathway 6.0 by 2080. We also demonstrate that
        the stratospheric contraction is not only a response to
        cooling, as changes in both tropopause and stratopause
        pressure contribute. Moreover, its short emergence time (less
        than 15 years) makes it a novel and independent indicator of
        GHG induced climate change.

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