Robert- SRM is a logical top priority. Who will pay for it? How will those doing it avoid assassination? (Moral or physical)
Peter Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2022, at 6:50 PM, Robbie Tulip <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Peter > To answer your question, carbon capture can collect CO2 to transform it into > stable valuable commodities. But CO2 storage is wrong and useless for climate > restoration. Chemical and photosynthetic use of CO2 as feedstock to produce > biomass and materials needs to replace the CCS paradigm. First though we need > to increase albedo as the emergency security response against extreme weather. > Regards > Robert 🌷 > >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 1:54 am, Peter Fiekowsky <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ye- >> What does carbon capture have to do with climate restoration? >> Carbon capture is for enhanced oil recovery and for selling expensive carbon >> offsets. >> >> We're interested in carbon sequestration at the 50 Gt/year scale, such as >> with synthetic limestone, plankton, kelp. >> Peter >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 12:59 AM Ye Tao <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> No Peter, this is not argument for restoring CO2 below 300ppm; lack of a >>>> logical connection notwithstanding, carbon capture at scale simply >>>> infeasible before we are all fried. >>>> >>>> Ye >>>> >>> On 3/1/2022 9:15 PM, Peter Fiekowsky wrote: >> >> >>>> Interesting. I remember that Michael Mann wrote a Scientific American >>>> article about 1999, telling us to expect 0.5C warming when we eliminate >>>> the sulfates. We knew it would happen, and it's happening. Maybe it's not >>>> so shocking. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know how much sulfates still come from coal plants? Back in >>>> 1999 that was the big source, I think. >>>> >>>> This could be an argument to pursue climate restoration, restoring CO2 >>>> below 300 ppm, to cool the planet. >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:39 PM Ron Baiman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Thanks Peter. Unfortunately, the paper and podcast are referring to a >>>>> termination shock that is potentially happening right now due to a >>>>> well-intentioned regulation to cut the sulfur content of cargo ships from >>>>> a prior average of 3.5% sulfur to 0.5% >>>>> (https://www.joc.com/special-topics/low-sulfur-fuel-rule ) that became >>>>> fully effective Jan. 2020. Using ocean water surface temperature >>>>> measurement and satellite atmospheric albedo measurements, for the north >>>>> atlantic and north pacific major shipping lanes, they estimate (still in >>>>> process of verification) up to (at the maximal estimate) a 50% jump in >>>>> global warming (as I recall from the podcast), from the time this >>>>> regulation became fully effective compared to prior years, as a direct >>>>> result of the loss of sulfur emissions across these (very large) ocean >>>>> regions. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 6:44 PM Peter Fiekowsky <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Ron- >>>>>> >>>>>> Just so you know-When looking through a climate restoration lens, with >>>>>> CO2 below 300 ppm by 2050, termination shock doesn't happen. This is >>>>>> because CO2 is back to pre-industrial levels by 2050, and therefore >>>>>> forcing is too. SRM or SAI would only be needed for 15 years between >>>>>> 2030 and 2045. >>>>>> >>>>>> It might be useful starting now, but politically, there is no >>>>>> justification for it because it doesn't benefit the UN net-zero goal. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can read more about climate restoration in my book coming out in >>>>>> April. The summary chapter is available for free now on my website: >>>>>> PeterFiekowsky.com >>>>>> All the processes for climate restoration are now getting underway, and >>>>>> don't require government assistance. >>>>>> >>>>>> BR >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 2:52 PM Ron Baiman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Colleagues >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the podcast I've been talking about to some of you recently: >>>>>>> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ship-tracks-termination-shock-simons/id1529459393?i=1000550593731 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's their draft paper: >>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356378673_Climate_Impact_of_Decreasing_Atmospheric_Sulphate_Aerosols_and_the_Risk_of_a_Termination_Shock >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When Simon et al (presumably) get some version of this paper published, >>>>>>> it could be the centerpiece of, for example, strong support for MCB to >>>>>>> offset the sulfur with benign sea salt aerosols, as it would provide >>>>>>> direct evidence of the impact of warming/cooling effect of marine cloud >>>>>>> brightening from aerosols. It also, needless to say, highlights the >>>>>>> need for any and all other types of direct cooling intervention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "NOAC Meetings" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/noac-meetings/CAPhUB9C_RptW6t79b8ZXEZz6dcj_f%2BZNFk9DY_P7_%2BXgqXV%3DNw%40mail.gmail.com. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Peter Fiekowsky >>>>>> >>>>>> Foundation for Climate Restoration Founder and Chairman Emeritus >>>>>> Restoring a proven safe climate (300 ppm CO2 by 2050) for the >>>>>> flourishing of humanity. Climate restoration 2021 Book summary >>>>>> (650) 776-6871 Los Altos, California >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Peter Fiekowsky >>>> >>>> Foundation for Climate Restoration Founder and Chairman Emeritus >>>> Restoring a proven safe climate (300 ppm CO2 by 2050) for the flourishing >>>> of humanity. Climate restoration 2021 Book summary >>>> (650) 776-6871 Los Altos, California >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "NOAC Meetings" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/noac-meetings/CAEr4H2%3D%2BtacYuf%3DJrw%2BSfZPpjHtxE2omT6R9fVCYwNDEHSFGEQ%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> >> -- >> Peter Fiekowsky >> >> Foundation for Climate Restoration Founder and Chairman Emeritus >> Restoring a proven safe climate (300 ppm CO2 by 2050) for the flourishing of >> humanity. 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