Robert- It's one thing to be logically correct, and logically I and probably everyone on this list agrees with you that SRM right now would be smart, even moral.
I, and probably you and everyone on this list is working on this in order to leave a world our children and grandchildren can flourish in--obviously including our Holocene ecosystems. As far as I can tell we've been in agreement for ten or fifteen years. Has that agreement changed the planet? I'd say no. I don't think the physical world responds much to the brain patterns in my head, or the ones in your head which we call agreement. What's needed is action that will restore the climate. Let's get action going. Physical action. How do we do that? On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 7:22 PM Robbie Tulip <[email protected]> wrote: > Low albedo is dangerous and can only be mitigated by oceanic and > atmospheric technology. Solar radiation management systems are needed to > increase planetary albedo and mitigate the economic and social and > ecological harms of climate change by limiting extreme weather events. The > benefits of regulating planetary weather far far outweigh the risks and > costs of neglecting work to stabilise the climate. This is a major and > serious moral problem regarding whether humanity can take action to prevent > and reverse the worst effects of climate change in this decade. > > Robert Tulip > On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 2:06 pm, Peter Fiekowsky <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Robert- >> SRM is a logical top priority. >> Who will pay for it? >> How will those doing it avoid assassination? (Moral or physical) >> >> Peter >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 2, 2022, at 6:50 PM, Robbie Tulip <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Peter >> To answer your question, carbon capture can collect CO2 to transform it >> into stable valuable commodities. But CO2 storage is wrong and useless for >> climate restoration. Chemical and photosynthetic use of CO2 as feedstock to >> produce biomass and materials needs to replace the CCS paradigm. First >> though we need to increase albedo as the emergency security response >> against extreme weather. >> Regards >> Robert 🌷 >> >> On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 1:54 am, Peter Fiekowsky <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ye- >>> What does carbon capture have to do with climate restoration? >>> Carbon capture is for enhanced oil recovery and for selling expensive >>> carbon offsets. >>> >>> We're interested in carbon sequestration at the 50 Gt/year scale, such >>> as with synthetic limestone, plankton, kelp. >>> Peter >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 12:59 AM Ye Tao <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> No Peter, this is not argument for restoring CO2 below 300ppm; lack of >>>> a logical connection notwithstanding, carbon capture at scale simply >>>> infeasible before we are all fried. >>>> >>>> Ye >>>> >>> On 3/1/2022 9:15 PM, Peter Fiekowsky wrote: >>>> >>> Interesting. I remember that Michael Mann wrote a Scientific American >>>> article about 1999, telling us to expect 0.5C warming when we eliminate the >>>> sulfates. We knew it would happen, and it's happening. Maybe it's not so >>>> shocking. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know how much sulfates still come from coal plants? Back in >>>> 1999 that was the big source, I think. >>>> >>>> This could be an argument to pursue climate restoration, restoring CO2 >>>> below 300 ppm, to cool the planet. >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:39 PM Ron Baiman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Peter. Unfortunately, the paper and podcast are referring to >>>>> a termination shock that is potentially happening right now due to a >>>>> well-intentioned regulation to cut the sulfur content of cargo ships from >>>>> a >>>>> prior average of 3.5% sulfur to 0.5% ( >>>>> https://www.joc.com/special-topics/low-sulfur-fuel-rule ) that became >>>>> fully effective Jan. 2020. Using ocean water surface temperature >>>>> measurement and satellite atmospheric albedo measurements, for the north >>>>> atlantic and north pacific major shipping lanes, they estimate (still in >>>>> process of verification) up to (at the maximal estimate) a 50% jump in >>>>> global warming (as I recall from the podcast), from the time this >>>>> regulation became fully effective compared to prior years, as a direct >>>>> result of the loss of sulfur emissions across these (very large) ocean >>>>> regions. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 6:44 PM Peter Fiekowsky <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ron- >>>>>> >>>>>> Just so you know-When looking through a climate restoration lens, >>>>>> with CO2 below 300 ppm by 2050, termination shock doesn't happen. This is >>>>>> because CO2 is back to pre-industrial levels by 2050, and therefore >>>>>> forcing >>>>>> is too. SRM or SAI would only be needed for 15 years between 2030 and >>>>>> 2045. >>>>>> >>>>>> It might be useful starting now, but politically, there is no >>>>>> justification for it because it doesn't benefit the UN net-zero goal. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can read more about climate restoration in my book coming out in >>>>>> April. The summary chapter is available for free now on my website: >>>>>> PeterFiekowsky.com >>>>>> All the processes for climate restoration are now getting underway, >>>>>> and don't require government assistance. >>>>>> >>>>>> BR >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 2:52 PM Ron Baiman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Colleagues >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the podcast I've been talking about to some of you recently: >>>>>>> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ship-tracks-termination-shock-simons/id1529459393?i=1000550593731 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here's their draft paper: >>>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356378673_Climate_Impact_of_Decreasing_Atmospheric_Sulphate_Aerosols_and_the_Risk_of_a_Termination_Shock >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When Simon et al (presumably) get some version of this paper >>>>>>> published, it could be the centerpiece of, for example, strong support >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> MCB to offset the sulfur with benign sea salt aerosols, as it would >>>>>>> provide >>>>>>> direct evidence of the impact of warming/cooling effect of marine cloud >>>>>>> brightening from aerosols. It also, needless to say, highlights the >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> for any and all other types of direct cooling intervention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Ron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "NOAC Meetings" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/noac-meetings/CAPhUB9C_RptW6t79b8ZXEZz6dcj_f%2BZNFk9DY_P7_%2BXgqXV%3DNw%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/noac-meetings/CAPhUB9C_RptW6t79b8ZXEZz6dcj_f%2BZNFk9DY_P7_%2BXgqXV%3DNw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> *Peter Fiekowsky* >>>>>> *Foundation for Climate Restoration <http://f4cr.org/> **Founder and >>>>>> Chairman Emeritus* >>>>>> Restoring a proven safe climate (300 ppm CO2 by 2050) for the >>>>>> flourishing of humanity. 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