Anton- Ye has been saying that there isn't peer reviewed literature confirming that CDR at scale is practical, and that he believes the peer reviewed literature. He has provided compelling evidence to back up those two assertions.
He is entitled to believe whatever he wants, as are you and I...as well as any professor or priest. If Ye were in charge of a trillion dollar budget, I believe he would institute his mirrors, not CDR. As a professor at Harvard, I argue that would be the appropriate and justifiable thing for him to do. The things that you and I know from personal experience may be or not be true in the physical world, but in the academic world they're only true while confirmed by peer reviewed literature. To my knowledge Ye does not have a large budget to allocate, so let's support Ye in believing and espousing the literature, and carry on with our various projects in partnership and even joy. We're all on the same team here, seeing the world through the lenses of our personal experience. Peter On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 12:54 AM Ye Tao <[email protected]> wrote: > Anton, > > Please then kindly share papers and data showing otherwise that also take > into account time, energy, and material limitations. > > I have been requesting such info from the group with no relevant > response. The NAS report recently came out, confirming my own > interpretation of the primary literature. > > Looking forward to a proper reply. > > Ye > On 3/2/2022 10:22 PM, Anton Alferness wrote: > > Ye > > You are fundamentally incorrect in your assertion. > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2022, 7:05 AM Ye Tao <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Peter, >> >> There is zero evidence to support that any combination of existing >> artificial, nature-based, or hybrid carbon capture/sequestration methods, >> at global implementation scale and using all of humanities resources, could >> achieve even 10% of the fantastical net 50 Gt (C or CO2) /year number you >> take on faith. >> >> If you disagree, please refer back to the discuss thread we had on this >> topic a couple of weeks ago and contribute with a properly cited, >> evidence-based response. >> >> Ye >> On 3/2/2022 9:53 AM, Peter Fiekowsky wrote: >> >> Ye- >> What does carbon capture have to do with climate restoration? >> Carbon capture is for enhanced oil recovery and for selling expensive >> carbon offsets. >> >> We're interested in carbon sequestration at the 50 Gt/year scale, such as >> with synthetic limestone, plankton, kelp. >> Peter >> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 12:59 AM Ye Tao <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> No Peter, this is not argument for restoring CO2 below 300ppm; lack of a >>> logical connection notwithstanding, carbon capture at scale simply >>> infeasible before we are all fried. >>> >>> Ye >>> On 3/1/2022 9:15 PM, Peter Fiekowsky wrote: >>> >>> Interesting. I remember that Michael Mann wrote a Scientific American >>> article about 1999, telling us to expect 0.5C warming when we eliminate the >>> sulfates. We knew it would happen, and it's happening. Maybe it's not so >>> shocking. >>> >>> Does anyone know how much sulfates still come from coal plants? Back in >>> 1999 that was the big source, I think. >>> >>> This could be an argument to pursue climate restoration, restoring CO2 >>> below 300 ppm, to cool the planet. >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:39 PM Ron Baiman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Peter. Unfortunately, the paper and podcast are referring to a >>>> termination shock that is potentially happening right now due to a >>>> well-intentioned regulation to cut the sulfur content of cargo ships from a >>>> prior average of 3.5% sulfur to 0.5% ( >>>> https://www.joc.com/special-topics/low-sulfur-fuel-rule ) that became >>>> fully effective Jan. 2020. Using ocean water surface temperature >>>> measurement and satellite atmospheric albedo measurements, for the north >>>> atlantic and north pacific major shipping lanes, they estimate (still in >>>> process of verification) up to (at the maximal estimate) a 50% jump in >>>> global warming (as I recall from the podcast), from the time this >>>> regulation became fully effective compared to prior years, as a direct >>>> result of the loss of sulfur emissions across these (very large) ocean >>>> regions. >>>> Best, >>>> Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 6:44 PM Peter Fiekowsky <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ron- >>>>> >>>>> Just so you know-When looking through a climate restoration lens, with >>>>> CO2 below 300 ppm by 2050, termination shock doesn't happen. This is >>>>> because CO2 is back to pre-industrial levels by 2050, and therefore >>>>> forcing >>>>> is too. SRM or SAI would only be needed for 15 years between 2030 and >>>>> 2045. >>>>> >>>>> It might be useful starting now, but politically, there is no >>>>> justification for it because it doesn't benefit the UN net-zero goal. >>>>> >>>>> You can read more about climate restoration in my book coming out in >>>>> April. The summary chapter is available for free now on my website: >>>>> PeterFiekowsky.com >>>>> All the processes for climate restoration are now getting underway, >>>>> and don't require government assistance. >>>>> >>>>> BR >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 2:52 PM Ron Baiman <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Colleagues >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the podcast I've been talking about to some of you recently: >>>>>> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ship-tracks-termination-shock-simons/id1529459393?i=1000550593731 >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's their draft paper: >>>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356378673_Climate_Impact_of_Decreasing_Atmospheric_Sulphate_Aerosols_and_the_Risk_of_a_Termination_Shock >>>>>> >>>>>> When Simon et al (presumably) get some version of this paper >>>>>> published, it could be the centerpiece of, for example, strong support >>>>>> for >>>>>> MCB to offset the sulfur with benign sea salt aerosols, as it would >>>>>> provide >>>>>> direct evidence of the impact of warming/cooling effect of marine cloud >>>>>> brightening from aerosols. 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