Jessica

 

Here is a response I received that contrasts with your idea to increase albedo: 

 

“VERY impressed with your straightforward logic here. I've been a fan of Will 
Steffen for quite a while, and you explain with clarity why we need a more 
drastic approach. That said, do you think humanity has the collective ability 
to do something like this? We couldn't stop a war in Ukraine.” 

 

The point you are missing Jessica is the straightforward logic that urgent 
action to increase planetary albedo is a matter of global security. Focus on 
GHGs offers no prospect to limit looming tipping points.  

 

As you suggest, it is important to consider UV and ozone, but these would not 
be affected by marine cloud brightening.

 

My correspondent says a ‘straightforward logic’ requires a more drastic 
approach than the current IPCC endorses.  An albedo focus for climate policy is 
something that would involve drastic change to the current focus on 
decarbonisation, but could be achieved with less political conflict. 
Brightening the planet is a goal that could plausibly be readily agreed by 
governments. Increasing albedo can provide a practical cooling strategy that 
can take burden off emission reductions alone as the sole current climate 
response.

 

In my YouTube presentation linked below I use Will Steffen’s diagram on climate 
trajectory in the Anthropocene, showing why ‘bending the needle’ sufficiently 
from business as usual requires an albedo focus for climate policy.  I really 
am not sure why Dr Steffen and so many of his colleagues refuse to accept this 
in view of the hothouse tipping points they have identified, other than my 
previously mentioned psychological suggestion of tribal loyalty.

 

On the question whether ‘humanity has the collective ability to do something 
like this’  I am sure we do, but it requires new vision. Useful starting points 
might include the papal encyclical Laudato Si that calls for integration of 
care for humanity and care for the planet, and also my suggestions that albedo 
enhancement should be led by major emitters, and that we should replace carbon 
credits with radiative forcing credits.  These go against the grain of the 
IPCC, but indicate that new thinking and more open dialogue is essential to 
recognise and address the climate emergency.  Tired calls to accelerate 
decarbonisation are absurd, such as the recent UN/WMO call 
<https://public.wmo.int/en/resources/united_in_science>  for seven times 
greater effort by 2030. Such calls from leaders in the climate debate involve a 
wilful blindness to the capacity of albedo to become the primary fulcrum for 
climate policy.

 

On the Ukraine War, the absence of a viable global climate policy helped create 
the security vacuum that Putin entered.  Working with China, Japan, Korea, 
Europe, Canada and the US to build an ice canal across the North Pole to 
connect the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans for trade while refreezing the Arctic 
Ocean would do far more for Russian security than invading its peaceful 
neighbours.  As well as providing an exit path for Russia from the war, such a 
cooperative peaceful Arctic Ocean climate restoration project would reverse the 
melting of permafrost and sea ice that are primary planetary climate security 
risks.

 

Robert Tulip

 

 

 

From: 'Jessica Gurevitch' via geoengineering <[email protected]> 
Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2022 8:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Daniel Kieve <[email protected]>; Robert Tulip <[email protected]>; 
geoengineering <[email protected]>; 
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Subject: Re: [geo] RE: Albedo

 

Perhaps we need to consider injecting red lentils into the lower stratosphere? 
This would certainly increase albedo and would be unlikely to have the negative 
effects on UV and ozone. 

 

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On Sep 22, 2022, at 4:22 AM, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  
wrote:



Hi Daniel, picking up on the diet analogy, I did not mention protein, your 
focus in your comment, but rather fat.  

 

The counter-intuitive observation in nutrition, comparable to the observation 
that cutting emissions cannot rapidly cool the planet, is that in general 
eating fat does not make you fat, according to numerous scientific studies 
<https://www.businessinsider.com/eating-fat-wont-make-you-fat-gain-weight-says-doctor-2017-11>
 .  

 

Body fat mainly comes from excess sugar and refined carbohydrate, metabolised 
into fat <https://healthcare.utah.edu/the-scope/shows.php?shows=0_7frg4jjd>  by 
the liver and pancreas, not from eating fatty food.

 

In both cases, cutting fat intake and cutting GHG emissions, we have what 
Mencken <https://quoteinvestigator.com/2016/07/17/solution/>  called “a 
well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong.” 

 

The natural process is more complex than at first thought.  Cutting emissions 
marginally slows the speed of future warming, but fails to address either the 
committed warming from past emissions, the need to prevent climate tipping 
points and extreme weather, or the observation that albedo is the most 
tractable planetary lever to reverse and manage climate change.

 

Could prioritising albedo also fall foul of Mencken’s warning against clear and 
simple answers?  I don’t think so.  Scientific evidence for the potential of 
solar geoengineering to cool the planet is strong, unlike for decarbonisation.  

 

The situation is that climate policy has drifted on from its original claim 
that cutting emissions can mitigate climate change without really examining 
this proposition.  

 

The confusion is aided by the IPCC wrongly defining mitigation as cutting 
emissions alone, in the popular jargon.  As a result, the methods that actually 
do mitigate climate change, SRM and CDR, have been sidelined, and we are left 
with no effective tools to mitigate the serious dangers of warming.

 

It is a bit like how low-fat diets did nothing to slow the obesity epidemic.

 

Robert Tulip

 

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<[email protected] 
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Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2022 10:18 AM
To: Robert Tulip <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
Cc: geoengineering <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> >; 
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<mailto:[email protected]>  
<[email protected] 
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Subject: Re: Albedo

 

Thanks Robert. Very insightful. I'd be a bit wary of the diet analogy though.

 

The modern Western approach where foods are grouped into 'carbs' and 'proteins' 
is an oversimplification,  which suits the narrative of a diet based on 
processed foods (white flour etc) and overconsumption of meat products. 
Consumption of excess of either food type is associated with heightened risk of 
serious / chronic illness. 

 

In fact many of the healthiest natural, unprocessed food items are a 
combination of protein and carbs...combined with other nutritional attributes 
(vitamins, fibre etc). Lentils, quinoa, nuts, seeds and certain wholegrains 
contain substantial amount of both protein and carbohydrate - as do the 
healthiest diets (eg Mediterranean diet). 

 

For example, red split lentils contain over 25% protein (higher than much meat 
or eggs), as well as 55% carb - but only 1.5% is sugars, so lentils are a 
combined protein +  complex carbohydrate + fibre source - not an either or food 
type!

 

In the same way, HPAC advocates a 'healthy' three pronged approach rather than 
the narrow, oversimplified, disastrous decarb only (or protein only) narrative!

 

Best wishes,

 

Daniel

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 23:43 'Robert Tulip' via Planetary Restoration 
<[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

Friends

Here is commentary I have written on current climate policy.

Robert Tulip

 

 


 <https://www.booktalk.org/https-youtu-be-mzzddjhyank-t33608.html> Why 
Increasing Albedo is More Urgent than Cutting Emissions


 <https://www.booktalk.org/post179705.html#p179705>  11 Aug 2022

I have made a YouTube Video – 16 minutes -  <https://youtu.be/MzZDDjHYAnk> 
https://youtu.be/MzZDDjHYAnk - explaining this topic.

The Problem
Cutting emissions and removing greenhouse gases can’t stop climate tipping 
points
Politics and economics make cutting emissions difficult, expensive and slow.
The world situation is like a canoe headed for a waterfall
Viable cooling technologies lack funds, publicity and political support

The Solution
Reverse the IPCC priority order and put increasing albedo first
A brighter planet can avoid the climate danger zone.
Cooling technologies such as Marine Cloud Brightening are quick, safe and cheap
Fund large scale solar geoengineering research
Governments must cooperate to implement direct cooling measures.

 

 

 <https://www.booktalk.org/post179885.html#p179885>  20 Sep 2022

Climate change shows that political psychology in mass movements is primarily 
mythological. Deniers and decarbonisers form opposing climate tribes with 
conflicting myths, bifurcating climate policy into two conflicting worldviews. 
Both denialists and decarbonists are equally guilty of reliance on what 
President John F. Kennedy called “the comfort of opinion without the discomfort 
of thought”.

Arctic refreezing must become the top priority for climate policy, through 
international cooperation between governments to make directly cooling the 
planet, removing greenhouse gases and cutting emissions three co-equal 
priorities, as proposed by the  <https://www.healthyplanetaction.org/> Healthy 
Planet Action Coalition.

 <https://www.counterpunch.org/> Counterpunch magazine published a recent 
article on this healthy planet vision of climate repair and restoration -  
<https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/16/monumental-plans-to-fix-the-planet/> 
Monumental Plans to Fix the Planet, showing how this approach to climate change 
is gaining an audience.

Three actions – cooling, removing and reducing - can be equal in priority while 
having different time horizons. The problem with current policy is that 
emission reduction is marginal to climate stability and security, due to the 
urgency of the tipping point problem. The likelihood and impact of a dangerous 
climate phase shift due to Arctic tipping points is an extreme planetary 
security risk. Warming can only be mitigated if the world community institutes 
direct immediate measures to increase planetary albedo. This is a challenge to 
the prevailing political orthodoxy in climate policy, proposing an evolutionary 
shift in planetary management. Our planet has to reflect more sunlight as a 
primary public policy priority. As ecological stewards, global humanity must 
manage and guide and regulate the planetary atmosphere, ocean and temperature 
toward optimum conditions for the abundant flourishing of life.

Making the three legs of the climate policy stool – cool, remove, reduce - 
equal in priority would involve a shift of funding from decarbonisation to new 
cooling technology. That would require new funding for climate policy earmarked 
to planetary brightening. Once brightening is accepted as a legitimate and 
central goal of the world climate conversation, the rapid potential, low cost, 
safety, and security and biodiversity benefits of measures to increase albedo 
will become obvious.

 
<https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/yale-university-19620611>
 President Kennedy told Yale University in 1962 that “the great enemy of truth 
is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived and dishonest--but the 
myth--persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Too often we hold fast to the 
clichés of our forebears. We subject all facts to a prefabricated set of 
interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of 
thought.”

This description of the role of myth in politics speaks well to climate policy 
and science, as a political and philosophical insight into psychology, 
neuroscience and culture. Political psychology in mass movements is primarily 
mythological in character, due to our neural tribal instincts of loyalty and 
belonging. As already noted, climate policy is now bifurcated into two 
conflicting mythological tribes, the denialists and the decarbonists. President 
Kennedy's description of “the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of 
thought” shows the difficulty of scientific policy, the high inertia of 
politics and society when confronted with calls to change.

Both sides of the climate debate are equally guilty of reliance on beliefs that 
conflict with evidence. There is an element of lying, but the majority of 
participants in climate discussion are sincere. However, sincerely held but 
empirically wrong ideas are a form of fantasy. Denial that climate change is 
real and dangerous is a fantasy, as is the false belief that emission reduction 
alone could prevent dangerous climate change. Good faith acceptance of 
sincerity enables scientific policy conversation based on logic and evidence. 
We can rise above the tyranny of myth, asking how we can transition from our 
current destructive planetary trajectory to find a path toward universal 
flourishing.

An analogy to the climate policy situation comes from Eat Fat Get Thin, a 
nutrition book where author Dr Mark Hyman challenges the high carbohydrate diet 
paradigm of the  
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_pyramid_%28nutrition%29#/media/File:USDA_Food_Pyramid.gif>
 USDA Food Pyramid of 1992 promoted strongly for decades by government dietary 
authorities. Carbohydrate as main staple food has been questioned over the last 
thirty years by the view that a diet high in fat and low in carbohydrate 
delivers better health outcomes, but this scientific discovery has confronted 
indifference and denial. Meanwhile, the Standard American Diet has produced the 
obesity epidemic, mainly from sugar, with impacts on cancer, dementia, sloth, 
heart disease and stroke. The bad health impacts of sugar have been widely 
ignored, as have the dangers of carbon dioxide and methane for global warming.

Upton Sinclair explained in The Jungle, his study of the Chicago meatworks a 
century ago, that a man will not accept a fact when his income requires him to 
deny it. This syndrome applies to the food industry today. Climate policy 
contains an equivalent level of error. An equivalent paradigm shift is needed 
in climate as in nutrition. And yet climate policy change faces an equal or 
greater level of entrenched and intransigent opposition as nutrition – 
including from many who maintain they support good outcomes. It shows how 
people’s beliefs that their own views are true and rational can be wrong on a 
massive scale. We construct social myths, especially when conflict of interest 
influences the discussion.

The 27th Conference of the Parties of the UN Framework Convention on Climate 
Change needs a paradigm shift, prioritising albedo to make the planet brighter 
and more reflective, to immediately cool and stabilise the climate.

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