Dear Peter--A couple of comments:

1. What reducing methane emissions would do is to reduce the radiative forcing over the ensuing decade or two. With the heat from the higher levels having built up in the ocean, the time for recovery of the temperature (and climate)  is longer, so until the heat comes back out of the ocean and is radiated to space and/or the time it takes to be mixed into the deeper ocean so it is not affecting surface temperatures.

2. On behalf of scientists, let me say that our mantra is to focus on the facts of what has happened and what would be expected to happen under various types of situations/scenarios--and for statements about such aspects to be made by those who truly understand/research the issue (speculation by scientists needs to be made clear that it is speculation) and strengths and limits of findings (so uncertainties) should be listed. Like it or not, the role of the scientist is not to be an advocate or to think of themselves as decisionmakers (even though some of us might want to be kings or the equivalent)--it is the decisionmakers (so, for government, the elected leaders; and, as appropriate for the question, business leaders--though the capitalist system would say their main, or even only, role relates to finances of their investors). I do agree that how scientists phrase things, how they explain their decision framework, etc. can all be relevant, but is it not the choices that policymakers are (or are not) making decisions where the ethics enter in--for everyone but the elected decisionmakers, what they can do is mainly try to present useful information to decisionmakers, which is where the risk and ethical perspectives actually come into determining what actually happens? I'm just suggesting that actions need to be directed appropriately.

Best, Mike

On 2/17/23 3:49 PM, Peter Fiekowsky wrote:
Robert-

Good point about the scientists uniformly calling for delaying implementation, essentially indefinitely, since they don't offer any criteria for actually starting to restore safe methane levels and protect against a methane burst.

Do you think this is an ethical issue? Doubling the methane oxidation rate would result, in 5 years, in methane levels cut roughly in half--bringing warming back to roughly 2002 levels. This would likely save a million lives a year lost in the severe hurricanes, floods, wildfires and droughts we have now. And if today's methane burst gets serious, it could also save a quarter, or even all of humanity from the kind of extinction event that happened last time our planet lost the Arctic sea ice.

Even if it's only a 1% chance that history repeats itself (warming is now happening 10 times faster than during the previous methane burst called the PETM), statistically that's 8 billion people divided by a 1/1000 probability, or 8 million people we could save.

Is it ethical for climate scientists to make the same claims that health scientists made for tobacco companies and later that oil company scientists made about climate actions--that we need undefined "more research" before acting?

Should we establish a climate ethics committee to discuss this issue publicly?

Peter

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 4:44 AM <[email protected]> wrote:

    This article by James Temple provides a professional overview of
    efforts to commercialise Iron Salt Aerosol (ISA).

    
https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/15/1068495/these-startups-hope-to-spray-iron-particles-above-the-ocean-to-fight-climate-change/

    It discusses cooling effects of ISA including methane removal,
    ocean iron fertilization and marine cloud brightening.   The
    article comments that a marine cloud brightening effect “would
    muddy the line between greenhouse-gas removal and the more
    controversial field of solar geoengineering.”  My view is that
    taking this as a criticism shows the incoherence in popular
    understanding of climate science.  If marine cloud brightening
    could be a fast, safe, cheap and effective way to mitigate
    dangerous warming, field research of ISA could be a great way to
    test this.  Solar geoengineering is no more controversial than
    ocean iron fertilization, given that both are under a de facto ban
    on field research.

    The article comments that “if it brightened marine clouds, it
    would likely draw greater scrutiny given the sensitivity around
    geoengineering approaches that aim to achieve cooling by
    reflecting away sunlight.”  It may prove to be the case that ISA
    could only be deployed by an intergovernmental planetary cooling
    agreement of the scale of the Bretton Woods Agreement of 1944 to
    establish the IMF and World Bank.  In that governance scenario,
    the scrutiny placed on all cooling technologies will be intense
    regardless of the balance of effects between brightening and
    greenhouse gas removal.

    I disagree with the scientists quoted in the article who oppose
    field tests. That is a dangerous and complacent attitude, failing
    to give due weight to the risks of sudden tipping points that can
    only be prevented by albedo enhancement and GHG removal at scale. 
    Learning by doing is the most safe and effective strategy.  If
    there are unexpected effects it is easy to stop the trials.  The
    only risk of well governed field tests is that they would provide
    information to justify a slower transition from fossil fuels.  On
    balance that is not a serious risk, given that emissions are
    expected to continue regardless of climate concerns.  Cooling
    technologies are essential to balance the ongoing heating, the
    sooner the better.

    I was pleased that the article included my comment that our
    company decided not to pursue our ISA field test proposal because
    the overall political governance framework is not ready to support
    this form of geoengineering.  This illustrates that strategic
    discussion of ethics and governance will need to be far more
    advanced before any geoengineering deployment is possible. I
    explored these moral themes in a recent discussion note
    <https://pdfhost.io/v/nn85Rgk.g_Moral_Perspectives_on_Climate_Policy>
    published by the Healthy Planet Action Coalition.

    Robert Tulip

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