Apologies, my intentions were poorly phrased. "not an option" was too 
strong a statement. Really what the point of the email was is that I 
wanted an exception in project policy for a single release. But lesson 
learned, the community has spoken. Won't make the mistake again.

-Justin

Rob Atkinson wrote:
> When you say "its not an option" because of "those who pay the bills",
> you sound like you are either declaring post-facto or proposing a move
> to a "Cathedral" model of OS. GeoTools/GeoServer has previously prided
> itself as being a "Bazaar".
> 
> If this is not the intention, then a better mechanism needs to be
> found.  IMHO nothing should be promised to clients as "will be core"
> until it has been run past the community and accepted by a formal
> vote. The ability to meet the needs of paying clients is a well
> understood requirement, but we need all to be playing by the same
> rules for anyone else to have a chance of bringing resources.
> 
> Working up such a roadmap, with resourcing mapped to it, needs to be a
> formal commitment by the community to support that roadmap by not
> taking on mutually incompatible obligations - and this means not
> suspending or dropping pieces of work being depended on by others
> because of a new opportunity. We need to negotiate both inclusion and
> changes to the roadmap.
> 
> 
> Rob A
> 
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:54 AM, Andrea Aime <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Justin Deoliveira ha scritto:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Sorry I missed the IRC meeting today, was out of the office. I just read
>>> through the logs and wanted to share my thoughts.
>>>
>>> It was no shock to me that people are surprised about the sudden move to
>>> make rest and geosearch core modules. First off, i have to apologize b/c
>>> this process has been poorly managed by me. These needed to be included
>>> in 1.7.1 and I did not spend any time before hand working to get them to
>>> a "releasable" state.
>>>
>>> The requirement to include these modules comes down from those who pay
>>> the bills... so not getting them into this release is not really an option.
>>>
>>> So the best I could come up with is a compromise. To include them in
>>> this release but start the process toward moving them to core modules,
>>> test coverage, documentation, etc... And indeed making this a blocker
>>> for the 1.7.2 release.
>> Would making them into an extension for 1.7.1 and move them to core
>> by 1.7.2 be an acceptable (maybe a little more in line with policy)
>> path?
>>
>>> So I know we are diverging from project policy for this release but I
>>> ask for leniency.
>>>
>>> Moving past his and ensuring that this sort of situation does not pop up
>>> again. We *desperately* need a proper and detailed road map for the
>>> project. Currently we sort of organize jira for a single release pushing
>>>   back all sorts of issues to the next release and doing it all over
>>> again. While this works on a release by release basis its not all that
>>> great for long term planning. Having a proper road map in place would
>>> allow us to much better plan when requirements come in from people with
>>> money who want features.
>> Yep, very much agreed.
>>
>>> I am open to strategies on how to plan this road map. I know a lot of
>>> different people want to see a lot of different things and have
>>> different requirements. So I am not sure how to proceed in order to
>>> build a balanced and fair road map.
>> Well, all the people involved in GeoServer work some way or the other
>> for consultancy companies and as you said we need to pay our bills
>> as well.
>> So I guess the roadmap should point towards directions,
>> items, give a scope, and make sure it has enough sponsoring (but
>> just throwing out ideas is ok, provided we don't pretend others
>> to realize our dreams). But let it generic and relaxed enough to
>> allow for the extra stuff that plops into our consultancy
>> bucked and that really allows the people working on GeoServer to
>> live.
>>
>> Hard balance to strike I know, but then again, we have only limited
>> control of what eager users might decide to sponsor tomorrow (and
>> when that happens it's a pity to let it go away).
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andrea
>>
>> --
>> Andrea Aime
>> OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
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