So it appears I (and thus gtbot) no longer have access to post news items.
Gtbot will be busted until this is remedied! In the mean time, here are the IRC
logs:
{excerpt}
1: release
2: Streaming Renderer
3: What about a meeting time one hour earlier?
4: introduce gdavis
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jgarnett: 1) release
simboss: ciao guys!
jgarnett: Not much to say here - I am trying to upload now.
desruisseaux: Hello Simone
jgarnett: Thanks to Martin for fixing bugs over the weekend
desruisseaux: Does the release seems to work Jody?
jgarnett: It seems to work (even javadocs)
jgarnett: and stress testing ...
jgarnett: I will ask someone to download the source release and try it out ...
desruisseaux: Do you have any pain point that you would like to report?
jgarnett: The instruction's pages seems to include a lot of duplicated effort
jgarnett: but it seems much better then trying to do everything in maven
aaime: What do you mean by duplicated effort in particular?
aaime: (that is, is it something we can fix?)
jgarnett: the stress tests are run a couple of times for example
jgarnett: I think we could start the tag and so on and then start testing
jgarnett: (maybe check the build box to make sure trunk is good...)
jgarnett: We can wait to see what the next person thinks?
jgarnett: Sorry guys - very busy and have not provided useful feedback :-(
desruisseaux: This is true that the number of time we run the full test suite
may be reduced (matbe).
desruisseaux: typo: (maybe)
aaime: I think the issue with double testing is that
aaime: you may end up doing a tag and then noticing quite a bit of bugs
aaime: that need to be backported from tag to trunk
aaime: How much time does it take to do a super-tested build? (stress and
whatnot?)
jgarnett: It did not take that long (so I am not sure it was working?)
jgarnett: I think it may only be a good test for Cory who has all the online
tests configured on his box?
aaime: hmmm... very few tests do separate a "stress" part
jgarnett: I see; I was under the impression that the build box ran for 40 mins
on this stuff, my box ran for 10 mins .
jgarnett: (a normal install takes longer)
aaime: 40 minutes? Man!
aaime: Hmmm... no, it should take more than a normal build anyways...
jgarnett: As I said - I think the trick is to have the online tests working -
so the library is actually tested.
jgarnett: okay let's leave it - the release goes out today. I will create an
email about the details so we can think about things for next time.
jgarnett: can we go on?
aaime: yup
jgarnett: 2) streaming renderer
Jesse_Eichar77: not much to say
Jesse_Eichar77: just wanted to let everyone know that I've found
Jesse_Eichar77: that there is a memory leak on trunk.
Jesse_Eichar77: I'm going to try and track it down.
aaime: Ouch...
Jesse_Eichar77: But if anyone notices something or some hints before I get my
profiler license let me know.
aaime: Hmmm.... may it be one of the changes I made to get performance back to
2.3.x level?
aaime: I did not stress test it
Jesse_Eichar77: I haven't tested 2.3.x so I don't know if it exists there.
Jesse_Eichar77: it occurs after some seriously heavy rendering for quite some
time. I found it when running my performance tests.
Jesse_Eichar77: I'll check out 2.3.x to make sure that is clean.
Jesse_Eichar77: that's about it just thought people would want to know.
desruisseaux: Item 3: What about meeting time one hour earlier?
desruisseaux: Do we have IRC peoples in Australia or some region around there?
jgarnett: aside: uDig on trunk is working and the raster stuff looks very cool
aaime: Nice
aaime: +1 btw
aaime: I would like to meet one hour earlier
aaime: never asked because of the "Andrea standard time" meeting stuff :-p
aaime: (that is, I cannot monopolize the meeting time, at least not on Geotools)
jgarnett: I like Andrea standard time
jgarnett: I am fine with either (Andrea you have to stay up late, if there is
something we can do to make things easier for those in europe please speak up)
jgarnett: +0
aaime: Yep, it's 22.30 here
desruisseaux: Same for me
desruisseaux: So is there any objection to a meeting time one hour earlier?
gdavis: how often do you guys meet like this?
aaime: Once a week
gdavis: every Mon?
aaime: Same channel, same day
desruisseaux: Yes
aaime: yeah
gdavis: okay
Jesse_Eichar77: fine by me
desruisseaux: So I will send an email on geotools devel list, if and nobody
object I will update the wiki before next meeting. Is that okay?
aaime: Ok
aaime: next topic?
gdavis: sure (I think Jody's PC froze on him)
jgarnett: back
jgarnett: (fun build process)
jgarnett: 4) intro gdavis
gdavis: hey, just wanted to introduce myself. I'm Graham Davis and I work with
Jody and Jesse and Richard in the same office. I will be working on the
unsupported geometry stuff in GeoTools for the next couple weeks (or until
whenever it is fixed and ready). So I'll probably be breaking geotools on and
off for a bit with my commits ;). Anyways, just thought I'd say hello so you
know who to blame for the upcoming broken builds.
aaime: Welcome
jgarnett: um - let's leave out the breaking the geotools part - you do not want
to follow the Jody and Cory example that close
gdavis: hehe
gdavis: thanks
aaime: well, everybody breaks the build
aaime: just make sure not to committ 5 minutes before leaving
aaime: and if you see the build is broken try to fix it right away :)
gdavis: that's a good rule, I'll be sure to follow it
jgarnett: Currently we are looking at how to untangle the unsupported/geometry
stuff - it needed a review earlier when it was being created (a lot of hacks
are around because they could not create a CRS, and because there are so many
factories). Wish us luck
jgarnett: That is kind of it for meeting topics
aaime: Good luck :-)
jgarnett: General discussion? Or let those from Europe go to sleep ...
aaime: everybody doing what he feels like :)
jgarnett: bah - README.txt generation is broken
jgarnett: (sad)
jgarnett: Well let's chat, and I can turn off gtbot in 20 mins
jgarnett: ...
jgarnett: So andrea about your FeatureSource cache thing?
jgarnett: You know we have a SoC student for that right?
aaime: Yes, I tried to contact Ian T.
jgarnett: (doing all their work for them .... suppose it will save you email)
aaime: He said me, I'll look at the wiki page and let you know
aaime: and haven't heard back since
aaime: (was only a few days ago)
jgarnett: Well we don't have to do anything w/ the students until May 28th ...
jgarnett: I had some ideas about rendering though ... I added them to the wiki
page for rendering
aaime: Anyways, that cache is just a band aid
jgarnett: (basically I would like to make sure MapContext is used for the 3D
guys)
aaime: I mean, it's another stupid "read it all in memory" kind of cache
aaime: if the dataset is too big, it'll just break
aaime: I have a better design on that wiki page
aaime: but implementation is far more expensive
jgarnett: Understood; I have the feeling that we should do some more stupid
things like that to make the library more popular
aaime: Well, the thing is
aaime: do the stupid thing if you don't have time for the smart one
aaime: at least do something for the common case
jgarnett: understood
jgarnett: (and I tried to make the point that you could be paid - TOPP does do
some consulting)
aaime: Hum... yeah, but that's the kind of thing that I don't expect to be paid
for :) (not the stupid one at least)
jgarnett: often it is easier to get paid for the stupid one (because someone
needs it *now*...) and the cost is less
aaime: Now, if only one of those smart guys that paied 40000$ a full fledged
Oracle install shelled out some 5000 to fix the datastore, now that would be
useful!
jgarnett: aaime++
simboss: guys
aaime: yup
simboss: just in case someone is wondering about where we are
simboss: we are still alive :-)
aaime: I had no doubt about it
simboss: we should get back working on geotools next week
aaime: Now that's good news
simboss: actually daniele should start the work for gsoc
aaime: Hmmm.... basically same timing as Martin working on nd coverages?
simboss: we would also start talking about revised DataAccess for coverages
aaime: Same topic, same time: coordination or disaster???
jgarnett: simboss I may be away the next two weeks
gdavis: I'm heading out to lunch. bbl, nice meeting you all
simboss: I would be hoping in some coordination :-)
jgarnett: but you may have more fun without me
jgarnett: and the time is actuall -1 hours
simboss: let's see
simboss: if he wants some help
simboss: :-) desruisseaux ping
simboss: :-)
desruisseaux: Hello Simboss
simboss: ciao martin!
simboss: when are you going to start with the work on ND coverages?
simboss: we have not talked in the last two weeks
desruisseaux: This week. But it will take a few days before I have a better
idea of the kind of work to do. Anyway, I will do everything on Geotools SVN
and will post email on the geotools mailing list when I will start to commit.
simboss: any chance we can share some load here?
simboss: on friday I am going to have a meeting with people who has money
simboss: they could decide to fund part of the work
simboss: and daniele is going to work on imageio plugins for new formats anyway
desruisseaux: It is very hard for me to evaluate the work to do before I come
back to the coverage module (I have been away of this module for a while...)
simboss: would it be helpful
simboss: if I start sharing ideas/draft of design/experience/whatsoever?
simboss: to fire up some discussion
simboss: (not too much fire though)
simboss: hello?
jgarnett: aside: gdavis ping - can you download the src from here
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/GEOTOOLS/2.4-M1 (and tell me if it builds?)
desruisseaux: It often help. But really I have been away of coverage for such a
time that I don't know what is its current state anymore...
simboss: when you say coverage
simboss: you do not mean the I/O part
simboss: right?
desruisseaux: I'm thinking about both modules/library/coverage and the I/O part.
simboss: k
simboss: the modules/library part
simboss: did not change much
simboss: in general
simboss: and especially lately
simboss: my interests
simboss: are mainly in more formats for I/O
simboss: so that part is where we would like to work more
simboss: I am pretty sure
simboss: first thing will be more HDF
desruisseaux: This is the place where I expect to spend more time. But because
the design of this part is new for me, it is hard for me to give advice before
I looked at the related class starting from the root.
simboss: np
simboss: We will start working
simboss: only inside ImageIO
simboss: we are seeking to extedn the work for HDF
simboss: and hopefully other formats
jgarnett: My interest is in making something to replace GCE
simboss: same here
simboss: if we get some money to do it of course :-)
jgarnett: (because I do not want to document something we are going to remove,
and parametergroup is hard to use :-) )
simboss: (we should get it :-) )
jgarnett: cool
jgarnett: if you need a letter of support from the PMC then ask (if it would
make your hunting go better)
simboss: I like parametergroup :-|
desruisseaux: I promise to send email to geotools mailing list as soon as I
will start to have some proposal idea for GCE replacement.
simboss: I am a JAI guy :-)
jgarnett: also refraction's may be able to provide a letter
simboss: letter?
jgarnett: I like parameter group for some things; but building a (dynamic) user
interface with it is hard
jgarnett: I like it for connecting via source code
jgarnett: (although it really hurt updating udig because of parameter group
breakage ...)
desruisseaux: Jody, could you give us an example of pain point with
ParameterGroup? We could try to fix it...
jgarnett: Sometimes if you are going after a contract; client's like to see a
letter of support.
jgarnett: martin I have to run off to another meeting; for an example of the
difficulity the WMS bridge code (from WMS to GCE) was hard to write.
jgarnett: It is easier to make up parameter group entries for known things in
file format header files, and harder to do it "on the fly" based on a web
service ... or anything else dynamic ...
jgarnett: (bah ... I best go ... mind stopping gtbot when you are done?)
aaime: np
jgarnett: cheers!
simboss: anyway, let's try to cooperate as much as possible
simboss: so that we try to achieve more
CIA-5: 03desruisseaux * r25389 10geotools/gt/modules/ (12 files in 8
dirs): GEOT-1160: Make IdentifiedObjectFinder public, so we can keep
AbstractAuthorityFactory a little bit simplier (less methods there).
Jesse_Eichar77: Hey simboss.
Jesse_Eichar77: Thanks for your work on the GC stuff.
simboss: ciao jesse
Jesse_Eichar77: Got it going again with uDig... And I'm impressed again.
simboss: ?
Jesse_Eichar77: What an improvement over 2.2.x
simboss: I thought you were making fun of me :-)
Jesse_Eichar77: (remember I am from the dinosaur age)
simboss: ah ah
desruisseaux: I will go. Bye all
Jesse_Eichar77: I'm going to make a MileStone Release for uDig trunk, just for
fun, so people can play with it.
simboss: ciao martin
Jesse_Eichar77: ciao martin.
Jesse_Eichar77: too slow.
simboss: I will try to play quickly with it
simboss: I have a bunch of new plugins to try
Jesse_Eichar77: I'll let you know. I was especially happy though because I was
able to render Tiffs on my Mac.
Jesse_Eichar77: I've never been able to do GC stuff until now on my mac
simboss: that's cool
Jesse_Eichar77: Just thought you'd like to know that I'm playing with it again.
simboss: I have soon to buy a mac myself
Jesse_Eichar77: And more seriously this time.
simboss: to test the work we are doing with gdal
simboss: we test on linux and win
simboss: but never on mac
Jesse_Eichar77: Well there are JAI problems with Macs since the binaries aren't
made for Macs.
Jesse_Eichar77: So it is a little tricky to do what you've been doing.
simboss: on jai
simboss: you should go pure java
simboss: right?
Jesse_Eichar77: I'm trying... But All the obvious downloads have binaries. For
the dev version there aren't classpath installs that I found.
simboss: mmmhh
simboss: I would suggest two paths
simboss: 1
simboss: look under the binary builds
simboss: for the pure java zip
simboss: 2 ask the mailing list
simboss: I have seen a discussion topic JAI on MAC
simboss: lately
simboss: I did not follow it
simboss: though
simboss: as I don't have a MAC
simboss: :-)
Jesse_Eichar77: I have too. Geotools didn't build on a mac until recently.
Jesse_Eichar77: but things are looking a lot better.
simboss: cool
simboss: next round, if ever make it to the end, should be much much better
simboss: I have been compression 2gb geotiff in jp2 and ecw lately
simboss: without any problems
simboss: it takes 15 minutes though
simboss: :-)
simboss: gotta run for a while
simboss: be back later
simboss: ciao guys
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