It isn't about making excuses for a $500 brick... it's the simple fact that open source software sucks dead dogs balls when it comes to the basic essentials like polish, presentation and documentation.

er, if you don't want these ugly + unpolished apps then don't add them to you phone.

either Jobs doesn't want third party apps because they make the iPhone look ugly or Cingular doesn't want them because their worried about developers (a) building apps that encourage people to use lots of bandwidth or (b) building apps that cannibalize their revenue streams (VOIP client?). but saying they don't want third-party apps because there's a danger that they'll crash the network is stupid (not to mention one of the worst lies I've heard Jobs tell).

"You need it to work when you need it to work. Cingular doesn’t want to see their West Coast
        network go down because some application messed up.”
        http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16566968/site/newsweek/page/2/

Has anyone ever heard of any Java apps having *any affect on* (never mind crashing) Sprint's / Tmobile's / Cingular's network?

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On Jan 26, 2007, at 2:29 AM, stephen white wrote:

On 26/01/2007, at 5:15 AM, Beau Gunderson wrote:
"Apple CEO Steve Jobs stated emphatically that despite its OS X roots,
the Apple iPhone would be closed to third-party apps, remarking, "You

The quote is not the full story. Steve Jobs has also made it clear that third-parties can develop for the iPhone, just that Apple will have a certification process to ensure that applications meet minimum standards. It isn't about making excuses for a $500 brick... it's the simple fact that open source software sucks dead dogs balls when it comes to the basic essentials like polish, presentation and documentation.

In the woodshed, open source is great because you can grab that bit of wood, this bit of iron, and whap together something that works like a table even though it doesn't much look like one. For things that are used every day, something better is desirable. Apple provides the excessive and obsessive effort for minor things that don't achieve much purpose but has the polish and care to make boring jobs easier.

I've used Linux since 0.011a, I've built entire systems with open source software, but I'm not a fanboy and I know where things have their weak points and strong points. It annoys me to see people claiming that anyone who likes Apple gear is a mindless fanboy who makes excuses left right and centre for their Numero Uno God, Steve "God" Jobs (God). It's really about the fact that process is followed, with change control, documentation, and clear design.

The fact is that I wouldn't be able to do my work without the documentation that Apple provide and nobody in open source can be bothered doing. Ever tried finding information about PAM_LDAP? Ever tried to program Gtk widgets with vague notes from an autistic savant from several versions ago? Where's a good book that describes the current Linux kernel (not 10 years ago).

There is a breaking point where ideals hit the fan, and "get it done" is more important. Open source doesn't do the job.

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