On 25/06/2007, at 7:20 AM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
I will concede that for folks coming from a GIS background, your wish seems bizarre and not something I would ever think to explicitly support in a format.
But I don't see this as a standards problem, so much as as a viewpoint
difference based on different approaches and backgrounds.

If I may be incredibly arrogant, I would say that the GIS crowd have the real problem and they are the ones that need to update their approach.

The GIS crowd have been hammering at this problem for decades, and they're not really getting anywhere. The formats and standards used to represent data must accommodate the limitations of computers, so that the ideas of representing reality can be realised despite the imperfections of our tools.

I note that you're the president of "OSGeo", which is a name I vaguely recognise. Therefore I'm going to ask you... how are you going to update GML so that it has the features required to be more useful to a larger range of implementers, not just arranged in ways that GIS people would like?

The default option is what is happening now... people just don't bother with the standards and hack up code that just does it... and then the new standards come from the working code, and GML is history. VRML was very big in its day, but it also failed to provide relevant access paths.

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