Andrew Turner wrote:
What do you mean specifically? KML 2.2 has 3d geometry.

oops - I was following a thread on the GeoRSS list, Specifically Josh's post.

"Joshua Lieberman wrote:
3D position lists are entirely allowed in GeoRSS GML. It simply requires specifying a 3D CRS, just as in GML and eventually in KML. "

Thanks to both Mano Marks and Ed Parsons for prompt and thoughtful replies from Google, and Tim Bowden for observing the tensions in pre-standard extensions of 'standards'. I'm only suggesting that we all pay close attention as OGC considers next versions of KML and Google continues to innovate with their very popular apps. Due to the scale of their user base (in Google maps and Google earth and a zillion mash-ups), Google can implement any 'pre-standard' kml extensions any time they want, that will be so massively adopted to become de-facto standards, that it will be nigh impossible for anyone in OGC to change, or even ammend. Like trying to turn a supertanker. It's very encouraging that Google is deeply engaged with OGC and that GML, GeoRSS, and Geo-Rest folks are paying attention. It will take this kind of focus and attenion, and probably more from other perspectives to make KML a genuinely open and portable standard. In the meantime I hope that Google continues their good citizenship and remains transparent and will work with the communities before and major pre-emptive extensions.




 In addition to a formal  Google response (yours), I was hoping that someone
like Raj Singh, Carl Reed, Ron Lake, or Andrew Turner might also comment.

 Thanks for any insights you can share

 Mike





 Mano Marks wrote:
 Hi y'all,

I just wanted to address a couple of the points raised on the thread.
To be completely out there, in case you missed my email address, I
work for Google supporting Geo APIs.

Mike asked if the OGC owns the future of KML. It does. Google no
longer owns any KML IP.. The OGC owns all of it. Google is a member of
the OGC, and we hope to be one of the drivers of innovation, but we
don't own it or have any special privileges other OGC members don't
have.

Allan, you asked for a non license-agreement copy of something. Did
you mean of the spec or just the documentation?
This link:
http://schemas.opengis.net/kml/2.2.0/
doesn't require signing a license

Also, the KML 2.2 SWG at OGC is also open:
http://www.opengeospatial.org/projects/groups/kml2.2swg

Also, the KML docs on Google's site are pretty up to date.
http://code.google.com/apis/kml/documentation/

If it is a different doc, I can see if I can get it for you.

Mano

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 6:18 PM, Allan Doyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 It's a little hard to tell, they have a click-through license at the OGC
site. Does Google have a non-DRM'ed copy anywhere?

 Allan



 On Apr 18, 2008, at 2:37 PM, Mike Liebhold wrote:



 More (perhaps old) news ( 4/13) " OGC(R) Approves KML as Open Standard"

 The formal press release from OGC appended below, and this on a google blog




http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2008/04/kml-new-standard-for-sharing-maps.html


 "Starting today, Google no longer controls KML. The Open Geospatial

 Consortium (OGC), an international standards body, has announced the
completion of KML's standardization process. KML has become an OGC Standard,
and the OGC will take responsibility for maintaining and extending it. This
transfer of ownership is a strong reflection of Google's commitment to open
standards. Fundamentally, our interest is not to control information, but
rather to encourage its spread."


 Despite this announcement , does the OGC community actually now 'own'

 the future of kml? I'm not sure.


 Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can comment on whether not Google

 actually still controls KML destiny, with all of their queued up kml3.0 and
beyond features and extensions they can unilaterally adopt and implement
in google earth, before submission or adoption by OGC committees.


 I'm also wondering about highlights of alignment with GML, and what major

 elements are left out or postponed in this 'standard' version. Some 3d
elements perhaps?


 Raj or Carl or Ron anyone in the OGC KML groups care to share any

 comments? (Andrew?)




-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


 http://www.opengeospatial.org/pressroom/pressreleases/857

OGC(R) Approves KML as Open Standard

Wayland, Mass., April 14, 2008 - The members of the Open Geospatial

 Consortium, Inc. (OGC) today announced the approval of the OpenGIS(R) KML
Encoding Standard (OGC KML), marking KML's transition into an open standard
which will be maintained by the OGC. Developers will now have a standard
approach for using KML to code and share visual geographic content in
existing or future web-based online maps and 3D geospatial browsers like
Google EarthTM.


 "We are pleased to see the adoption of KML as an OGC standard," said Ron

 Lake, chairman and chief executive officer of Galdos Systems Inc. "We
believe that this is a major step forward for the OGC and for the entire
geographic information community, as it provides the first broadly accepted
standard for the visualization of geographic information."


 "Geographic data adds tremendous value to the online experience. More and

 more people are looking for ways to incorporate location information into
their online content," said Michael Weiss-Malik, KML product manager for
Google. "The standardization of KML makes it possible for both novice and
expert users alike to publish and share geographical information in an open
format. It's not unlike web browsers' standardized support for HTML, which
allows any web browser to read any web page."


 KML version 2.2 was brought into the OGC consensus process by a submission

 team led by Google and Galdos Systems Inc.


 KML is an XML-based programming language, originally developed to manage

 the display of geospatial data in Google Earth. It's still used heavily in
Google Earth but is also supported by a variety of vendors' tools and
mapping websites.


 The OpenGIS KML 2.2 Encoding Standard formalizes the KML 2.2 model and

 language while remaining backwards compatible with existing KML 2.2 files
and tools. In comparison with the GoogleTM KML 2.2 Reference, the standard
defines:


 * the KML 2.2 geometry encoding and interpolation model
 * an extension model in support of application profiles
 * conformance requirements and test cases

The adopted OpenGIS KML 2.2 Encoding Standard (OGC KML) is available at
http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/kml/.

About the OGC

The OGC(R) is an international consortium of more than 345 companies,

 government agencies, research organizations, and universities participating
in a consensus process to develop publicly available geospatial standards.
OpenGIS(R) Standards support interoperable solutions that "geo-enable" the
Web, wireless and location-based services, and mainstream IT. OGC Standards
empower technology developers to make geospatial information and services
accessible and useful with any application that needs to be geospatially
enabled. Visit the OGC website at http://www.opengeospatial.org/.


 Google and Google Earth are trademarks of Google Inc.
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