Oh sweet jeebus, the last thing we in the digital humanities trenches need is UDDI. With all due respect.
On topic (which is more important to note on this list): why not submission via VM? Sean R E Sieber wrote: > And they don't know a UDDI from an ODBC (sorry, my current conference > call). Working with the humanities is different from working with the > GIScience (of which I'm deeply embedded). At least, GIScience knows > something about computing. Some of the members of the community are > cs/software engineers. But most come out of geography. And we don't know > cs. More importantly, we don't understand cs (whether formally or > informally acquired) so we don't understand how people can move facilely > among the buzzwords and architectures. We get stuck with our map > metaphors and our traditional GISs, which never served us that well in > the beginning (I know I'll catch heat for that but, come on, what's up > with all the compromises we had to make on geospatial modeling?). > > What's interesting to me is that at the same time we strive for ever > higher levels of abstractions, we simultaneously get stuck in the nitty > gritty. Which ports are open; what does your cell phone provider allow? > It's a strange contrast but this two level approach makes it hard to > stay on top of the technology. Hard to blame us for delegating > everything to our sys admins. > > Renee > > Eric Wolf wrote: >> Exactly. >> >> It's been an interesting journey for me - coming from a hard-core >> software development mindset and delving into the deepest levels of >> cartographic and GIScience research in academia. I spend alot of time >> just scratching my head over how things are done. >> >> A major source of the head-scratching is because cartography and >> GIScience (and thus GeoViz) typically come out of Geography. >> Departments of Geography typically fall within Schools of Arts and >> Science and sometimes even within a School of Social Science. >> >> Within a typical university, the School of Engineering will maintain >> their own IT support staff. The rest of the university is "ruled" by a >> more general IT support staff. The more general IT support tends to >> have stricter rules about what you can do with a computer. It makes a >> certain amount of sense -and if you've ever had to do tech support, >> it's pretty clear. >> >> -Eric >> >> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:38 PM, R E Sieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >> >> Tell me about it. I'm currently developing a cyberinfrastructure >> for the >> humanities. No disrespect to the humanities but they don't know about >> computers. And it is a constant battle to get access. >> >> Renee >> >> Eric Wolf wrote: >> > You miss my point - it's not that the NSF reviewers lack appropriate >> > rights - it's that researchers outside of schools of engineering and >> > departments of computer science frequently fight battles with IT >> > security that can cause things not to work smoothly. I've >> experienced >> > it many times. >> > >> > I know it's hard to believe. I'm constantly dumb-founded by the >> inane >> > hurdles I have to go through in order to just do my work. I >> spent over >> > a decade in the private sector developing software. This is the kind >> > of problem that usually resolved in seconds outside of academia. >> > However, inside academia it's a constant battle. And just when you >> > thought you had everything working, someone changes policies and >> your >> > demo doesn't work. >> > >> > But as I think more about it, the real reason the NSF is asking for >> > stand-alone HTML is to provide a blind review process. >> > >> > -Eric >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Randy George >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Eric, >> > >> > >> > >> > But… isn't that a compelling reason to just provide a link? >> > >> > >> > >> > The review committee only needs a highspeed link, a >> computer with >> > a sufficiently modern GPU, and a decent projector. All the >> > installation is out of their hands. The link points at an SGI or >> > Deep Blue or whatever AWS Hadoop, Beowulf cluster … needed >> at the >> > other end, no admin rights required. >> > >> > >> > >> > randy >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>] *On Behalf Of *Eric Wolf >> > *Sent:* Friday, June 13, 2008 11:00 AM >> > >> > *To:* [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Geowanking] National Science Foundation >> > Visualization Challenge >> > >> > >> > >> > One of the reasons for the limitations is to ensure that the >> > content can be judged - but not because NSF lacks the >> facilities. >> > If you've ever tried to say, get a development server set up >> in an >> > academic environment outside of an engineering school or CompSci >> > department, you'd know the challenges. >> > >> > I'm currently dealing with this problem in my work. I'm supposed >> > to be exploring ways to contribute to OGC specs on behalf of The >> > National Map. To do this, I want to make code changes to servers >> > and clients that implement OGC - like GeoServer and OpenLayers. >> > But I'm not allowed to have admin or root access on my >> workstation. >> > >> > Another possible reason is that NSF usually tries to use a blind >> > review process. If they have to point a browser to your website, >> > they know who created it. >> > >> > -Eric Wolf >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Randy George >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Renee, >> > >> > Curious, I took a look at the NSF link. I would have guessed >> > "interactive >> > graphics" would fit geowanking more than "info graphics." I >> think >> > you are >> > right, though, about the winning entries. I wonder if it has >> > something to do >> > with NSF's limitations. >> > >> > For example here is the acceptable formats list for media: >> > "Interactive and Non-interactive Media: >> > Preferred animation formats: NTSC Beta SP, DVC Pro. >> > Digital formats such as QuickTime, Flash, AVI or MPEG are >> > acceptable. >> > Digital files should be copied to CD-ROM(s) or DVD." >> > >> > Or this: >> > "Q: May we use an online URL as an entry? >> > A: No. We can't rely on Internet connections during the >> > review/judging process. Save the relevant html and any >> associated >> > media >> > locally and then burn it to a CD-ROM or DVD." >> > >> > Hmm ... Is this "Visualization Challenge" or challenged >> > visualization? I >> > thought interactive media would include internet, browser, >> portal, >> > online >> > communities, virtual 3D worlds, OGC WPS pipes etc. I somehow >> doubt >> > it can >> > fit on a cd-rom or dvd. What is HTML without httpd? Perhaps NSF >> > could rent a >> > more up-to-date venue for their review process with a reliable >> > highspeed >> > connection. >> > >> > The judges appear stuck in an earlier media generation. >> Perhaps a >> > case of >> > Kuhn meets McLuhan? If NSF wants to stimulate innovation >> they should >> > consider moving 'media' ahead a decade or two. >> > >> > randy >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>] On Behalf Of R E Sieber >> > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:32 PM >> > To: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > Subject: [Geowanking] National Science Foundation Visualization >> > Challenge >> > >> > This may be of interest to some. >> > >> > Science and engineering visualization challenge (National >> Science >> > Foundation) >> > >> http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/scivis/index.jsp?id=challenge >> > >> > Frankly, I find their winning entries uninspiring in terms >> of new >> > technologies (e..g, look at their FAQs, which are incredibly >> snarky). >> > However, winning in one of these categories -- I'm guessing >> the info >> > graphics one would be right for geowankers -- would look >> very good on >> > one's resume. >> > >> > BTW, it is open to international entries. >> > >> > Renee >> > >> > Some of science's most powerful statements are not made in >> words. From >> > the diagrams of DaVinci to Hooke's microscopic bestiary, the >> beaks of >> > Darwin's finches, Rosalind Franklin's x-rays or the latest >> > photographic >> > marvels retrieved from the remotest galactic outback, >> visualization of >> > research has a long and literally illustrious history. To >> > illustrate is, >> > etymologically and actually, to enlighten. >> > >> > You can do science without graphics. But it's very difficult to >> > communicate it in the absence of pictures. Indeed, some >> insights can >> > only be made widely comprehensible as images. How many people >> > would have >> > heard of fractal geometry or the double helix or solar flares or >> > synaptic morphology or the cosmic microwave background, if they >> > had been >> > described solely in words? >> > >> > To the general public, whose support sustains the global >> research >> > enterprise, these and scores of other indispensable concepts >> exist >> > chiefly as images. They become part of the essential iconic >> > lexicon. And >> > they serve as a source of excitement and motivation for the next >> > generation of researchers. >> > >> > The National Science Foundation (NSF) and Science created >> the Science >> > and Engineering Visualization Challenge to celebrate that grand >> > tradition-and to encourage its continued growth. In a world >> where >> > science literacy is dismayingly rare, illustrations provide >> the most >> > immediate and influential connection between scientists and >> other >> > citizens, and the best hope for nurturing popular interest. >> > Indeed, they >> > are now a necessity for public understanding of research >> developments: >> > In an increasingly graphics-oriented culture, where people >> acquire the >> > majority of their news from TV and the World Wide Web, a story >> > without a >> > vivid and intriguing image is often no story at all. >> > >> > We urge you and your colleagues to contribute to the next >> competition >> > and to join us in congratulating the winners. >> > >> > Judges appointed by the National Science Foundation and the >> journal >> > Science will select winners in each of five categories: >> photographs, >> > illustrations, informational graphics, interactive media and >> > non-interactive media. The winners will be published in a >> special >> > section of the Sept. 26, 2008 issue of the journal Science >> and Science >> > Online and on the NSF Web site. One of the winning entries >> will be on >> > the front cover of Science. In addition, each finalist will >> receive a >> > free, one-year print and on-line subscription to the journal >> > Science and >> > a certificate of appreciation. >> > >> > Entries for 2008 are being solicited now. We urge all >> researchers and >> > science communicators to participate in this unique and >> inspiring >> > competition. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Geowanking mailing list >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Geowanking mailing list >> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> > http://lists.burri.to/mailman/listinfo/geowanking >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- >> > Eric B. 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