Of course, the problem is not that sustainability "cannot" be defined, it's
that there are too many definitions and no one agreed-upon one.  Among the
other terms that fit in this category (and have for many more years than
sustainability): freedom, justice, democracy.

Despite the lack of agreement, I wouldn't want to "retire" any of these.
Perhaps more to the point, their conceptual power would make it impossible.

John Meyer

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Hirsch, Leonard <[email protected]> wrote:

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>
> From an instrumental position, it is the different meanings that make it
> meaningless.   Might as well talk about what you want for gefliffle.*  Once
> you start making policy requests based on a concept, you have to have more
> consistency.  So we now have sustainable growth, sustainable coal,
> sustainable nuclear. ****
>
> A concept that cannot be defined in 27 years needs to be retired.****
>
> Len ****
>
> PS:  I am the sustainability officer in my agency.****
>
> *A made up word some used in some philosophy of science discussion in the
> 1970s meaning endless conceptual debates.  Don’t believe it ever got
> published.****
>
>
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> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
> change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has”  Margaret Mead
> ****
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>
> Leonard P. Hirsch, Senior Policy Advisor
> Smithsonian Institution
>  1100 Jefferson Drive SW  #3123
> PO Box 37012, Q-3123 MRC 705
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> ** **
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Beth DeSombre
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:35 PM
> *To:* Ronnie D Lipschutz
> *Cc:* [email protected]; GEP-Ed List
>
> *Subject:* Re: [gep-ed] seeking definitions of sustainability****
>
>  ** **
>
> *"Ronnie D Lipschutz" <[email protected]> writes:*****
>
> If you look over the courses linked to our Sustainability ****
>
> Engineering and Ecological Design curriculum ****
>
> (http://seed.soe.ucsc.edu/), you may find some useful ****
>
> material.  I try not to get too bogged down in ****
>
> definitionalism, since that can go on forever...****
>
> ** **
>
> Our whole point in starting with definitions is to point out that a) there
> are many different ways to define this concept; b) any definition by
> necessity prioritizes some things and excludes others, and so c) we're not
> going to use a definition for our course, but instead talk about the kinds
> of things we want to mean when we're collectively talking about
> sustainability,****
>
> ** **
>
> Beth****
>



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