Thank you all for this interesting thread discussion to make us think, look for, uncover what is hidden in our own theoretical/epistemological perspectives.
Cristina On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 9:39 AM Amy Freitag <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for this call Rebecca and curious what you come up with. While > y'all are digging, if you could also prioritize non-white authors and > perspective, that would be great. Since the white European perspective is > what got us in this mess in the first place. > Amy > > ------- > Amy Freitag > NOAA NCCOS Social Scientist > [email protected] > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020, 8:14 AM Gruby,Rebecca <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> Thank you for this excellent discussion! I Tweeted about this issue >> yesterday and it’s receiving quite a bit of attention, including from many >> non-social scientists who are learning about ToC critiques for the first >> time. I promised to share a reading list with anyone who emailed me and I’m >> getting flooded with requests. What an awesome opportunity, and I don't >> want to waste it. What are your favorite ToC critiques written for *public >> and non-specialist audiences*? Ideally open access. Looking for material >> that is accessible to everyone. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Rebecca >> ____________________________ >> >> Dr. Rebecca Gruby >> Associate Professor >> Dept. of Human Dimensions of Natural Resources >> Colorado State University >> >> Phone: +1 (970) 491-5220 >> Skype: Rebecca.Gruby >> Office: Forestry, Rm. 234 >> Web: Gruby Lab <https://sites.warnercnr.colostate.edu/rebeccagruby/> >> Human Dimensions of Large Marine Protected Areas >> <https://humansandlargempas.com/> >> >> Visit CSU Land Acknowledgment <https://landacknowledgment.colostate.edu/> for >> history of Native peoples and nations that lived and stewarded the land >> where the university now resides. >> >> >> On Sep 3, 2020, at 6:54 PM, kashwan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dear GEP Colleagues, >> >> Thank you for such an insightful thread -- I couldn't agree more with >> the suggestion from Dimitris that there is definitely an ISA Workshop and >> potentially a writing project that would be extremely valuable in the >> classroom. >> >> There is a common that between two recent comments that I would like to >> build on: 1) DG Webster's insightful comments on the contingency of the >> tragedy of commons related to the nature of power distribution, and 2) >> Jen's fantastic solution to the racist legacies of Hardin's life and work. >> I think both these comments show us a way out of what I see as the >> confounding of analytical and empirical arguments related to the tragedy of >> commons. Let me explain. >> >> At the core of it, tragedy is a behavioral argument. As many have pointed >> out, the pasture was used as a metaphor, not as an empirical example >> (though it may have been inspired by misinformed writings on the historical >> British commons). Ostrom took on the core behavioral argument and exposed >> the contingency/incompleteness of the arguments that informed Hardin's >> arguments (and still do for much of the work in game theory and >> rational-choice theory in mainstream Economics and Public Choice >> literature). That's why I believe that Jen's solution to the problem is >> brilliant, because if one talks about Ostrom's work in its totality, the >> analytical core of Hardin's argument is fully covered. We don't miss >> anything at all by not discussing Hardin's writings, with the advantage >> that one doen't have to make students read such an obviously racist piece. >> And, by the way, correct me if I am wrong, no matter how hard one tries, >> some students will invariably use the written word to reinforce their >> pre-existing biases (and label the professor as a liberal brain-washer in >> the process). That's why I am going to adopt Jen's solution in future >> classes. >> >> A second point on the analytical-empirical confounding. From this vantage >> point, bringing in the question of historical commons (which is discussed >> in Susan Buck's essay) or the question of scale that is often brought up in >> different contexts, is a bit of a distraction from the core analytical >> point of the behavioral roots of the tragedy. In that context, I think DG >> Webster's comments (and the attached article) presents an analytically >> oriented way of engaging the scale question within the same framework >> (without making it overly empirical). When it comes to the interests of the >> powerful, tragedies of the commons have been avoided in many cases (it's a >> different matter that they have been resolved in ways that continue to >> provide the powerful actors a distinct advantage in the post-solution >> world. Hope that makes sense. >> >> I would argue that these two types of confusions and the related >> misunderstanding of the tragedy argument partly explain the continued use >> of the tragedy metaphor and associated frameworks by some on the left (as >> Jan mentioned). Plus, there is also a deep love for technocratic solutions >> (as in technocratic socialism). >> >> Lastly, coincidentally, I have been working on two different dimensions >> of the same debate about the racist legacies of American environmentalism >> -- will separately share a piece that I wrote for the Conversation on the >> same topic (though it doesn't refer to Hardin per se). >> >> Best, >> Prakash >> >> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 7:28:15 PM UTC-4 j.e.selby wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> Thanks for a great thread everyone (and apologies that this comes after >>> the thread has died down - email problems). >>> >>> My own (still developing) approach to these issues is different again. I >>> am increasingly of the view that I can’t ignore questions of race, and >>> instead need to put them front and centre (including facing up to my own >>> previous neglect/underestimation of them). So when I teach IR theory I now >>> want students to know that as a modern field it started as the study of >>> racial hierarchies and race development. I can no longer teach Kant or >>> Hegel without also teaching their deeply racist anthropologies and >>> geographies. When I teach Israeli-Palestinian politics, I find the part >>> played by racist ideas in shaping the conflict historically (including >>> racialised representations of the environment) difficult to ignore. And on >>> environmental politics, I very much agree with Dimitris that racist ideas >>> go well beyond Hardin. Indeed, when I look at issues of environmental >>> security, I would say that a very large proportion of both public and >>> policy commentary, and academic research on the subject, operates with >>> assumptions which are in key respects racialised legacies of European >>> colonialism. Even the most left wing (including post-colonial) authors >>> sometimes buy into these frameworks. And given this, I see it as crucial to >>> try to sensitive students to these issues. There’s no point blacklisting >>> Hardin if we continue to teach authors where similar assumptions are but >>> better hidden. >>> >>> As regards solutions, well that depends what problems we are looking for >>> solutions for. Solutions to environmental problems (or bad policy thereon) >>> are one matter. But another, all too obvious at the moment, is race >>> conflict. And given especially that eco-fascist ideas seem to be on the >>> rise again, with the grave possibility that they might develop further >>> (just wait for the far right to start embracing climate change more fully, >>> and using this as an additional rationale for nativism and white >>> supremacism), it seems to me that educating students about this dark side >>> of environmental politics is an important responsibility. >>> >>> Best wishes, and thanks all again, >>> >>> Jan >>> >>> PS: new email address - I've moved to University of Sheffield since >>> lasting posting. >>> >>> >>> >>> Jan Selby >>> Professor of Politics and International Relations >>> Department of Politics and IR >>> University of Sheffield >>> https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/politics/people/academic-staff/jan-selby >>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sheffield.ac.uk%2Fpolitics%2Fpeople%2Facademic-staff%2Fjan-selby&data=02%7C01%7Crebecca.gruby%40colostate.edu%7Cb4da3663c3e3435c76f408d8506d105d%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637347776649838184&sdata=3ngEbY9ZgMGEdqzBhYQ7Wp%2ForLLGbRgOrctvKdo6b7c%3D&reserved=0> >>> https://politicsecology.wordpress.com/ >>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpoliticsecology.wordpress.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7Crebecca.gruby%40colostate.edu%7Cb4da3663c3e3435c76f408d8506d105d%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637347776649848177&sdata=57zGz%2BRmb2wbnP51WGk7Ph%2BZYxhQsXsLuHz68lg9rHw%3D&reserved=0> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1 Sep 2020, at 11:51, Jennifer Allan <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> Thank you for the wonderful discussion and resources. I've made a >>> slightly different choice on this question: I chose not to directly teach >>> the work of a racist, who was also wrong. I agree there are insights for >>> environmental politics, but they are covered by prisoner's dilemmas, >>> Ostrom's work on the commons, and other ideas cited above. >>> >>> I do this for two reasons. First, I ask my students if they have heard >>> the phrase "tragedy of the commons" or the basic argument (after I outline >>> it). Maybe one student has. In other words, I would be introducing this >>> phrase - and all its baggage - into their repertoire, and perpetuating its >>> continued use in various circles. Second, I'm not comfortable giving a >>> diverse student population a reading with such problematic racist language. >>> A lot could be done to prep students and to debrief with them, but I've >>> made the decision to not put my students in that situation in the first >>> place and risk further marginalizing some of them from academia. >>> >>> I talk to my students that this is an idea that they may hear about. >>> That it's become a popular stand in for many of the complex ideas that we >>> discuss in class. I explain that when people use it, they strip it of its >>> ideological foundations / project, and forget that it's empirically wrong. >>> I provide some of the resources already cited above, but I do not direct >>> them to the original work. >>> >>> I don't claim this is the best response to this difficult issue, but >>> it's the one I've decided for the time being. >>> All the best, >>> Jen >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 7:35 PM 'Jonathan Rosenberg' via gep-ed < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dimitris makes a great point. On a personal note--I am currently >>>> teaching 2 courses: Environmental Politics and Policy, and International >>>> Development. It is instructive to consider how differently Theodore >>>> Roosevelt figures in the historical background for each of them. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 1:29 PM Stevis,Dimitris < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ron and all: >>>>> >>>>> A very interesting discussion that cannot be limited to Hardin’s >>>>> misreading of history- as this old poem suggests - >>>>> http://www.onthecommons.org/magazine/“stealing-common-goose”#sthash.B7yCrydB.dpbs >>>>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprotect-eu.mimecast.com%2Fs%2F5yz1CY5l2iAEVLvTNajF6%3Fdomain%3Donthecommons.org&data=02%7C01%7Crebecca.gruby%40colostate.edu%7Cb4da3663c3e3435c76f408d8506d105d%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637347776649848177&sdata=63hbeylY1GtfKYqXfWFbXZ2MiiYQyzryJB7m8yCAFYk%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The environmental movement, in the US and other colonial countries, >>>>> has a significant share of racist, eugenisist etc founders, such as Muir, >>>>> Madison Grant, Osborn Sr (Museum of Natural History), Julian Huxley >>>>> (UNESCO) and others >>>>> https://orionmagazine.org/article/conservation-and-eugenics/ >>>>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprotect-eu.mimecast.com%2Fs%2FDjtrC9gLlT2L4k6FEykDm%3Fdomain%3Dorionmagazine.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Crebecca.gruby%40colostate.edu%7Cb4da3663c3e3435c76f408d8506d105d%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637347776649848177&sdata=wGiKssO2ePRWiAlOp0u7UeAAF0Oidyat8ORgq6i7MTQ%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> and >>>>> https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/environmentalisms-racist-history >>>>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprotect-eu.mimecast.com%2Fs%2FiftdC0LX1hmqNG9c2Y9Wa%3Fdomain%3Dnewyorker.com&data=02%7C01%7Crebecca.gruby%40colostate.edu%7Cb4da3663c3e3435c76f408d8506d105d%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637347776649858173&sdata=h%2FgQUx6DbovCnf7eSNXZgdAHbjpzY34wOynA9EKKuMQ%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> For >>>>> a longer account see >>>>> https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/border-walls-gone-green >>>>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprotect-eu.mimecast.com%2Fs%2F8zGTCg2QrTGOEAjT35YYk%3Fdomain%3Dupress.umn.edu&data=02%7C01%7Crebecca.gruby%40colostate.edu%7Cb4da3663c3e3435c76f408d8506d105d%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637347776649858173&sdata=qf6vZUSAOyQZH%2Bp83DCezaPf66hwtSL1iPV95m0Fyw8%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> >>>>> It may useful for IEP to address these wider genealogy and how it has >>>>> influenced the framing and study of environmental politics, certainly for >>>>> the older amongst us. Focusing on Hardin is necessary but should not >>>>> obscure this broader and painful context within which he acquired >>>>> legitimacy. This is all the more timely as this story is used by the >>>>> neoliberal right to criticize environmentalism as a whole - >>>>> https://capitalresearch.org/article/a-darker-shade-of-green-environmentalisms-origins-in-eugenics/ >>>>> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprotect-eu.mimecast.com%2Fs%2Ft0SgCj8OxuRKonwi1--Y8%3Fdomain%3Dcapitalresearch.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Crebecca.gruby%40colostate.edu%7Cb4da3663c3e3435c76f408d8506d105d%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637347776649868166&sdata=%2BGH9x4nuRGlONPANyERaN1NPnVJ4SzEyqiJEAHvlOQE%3D&reserved=0> >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps there is an ISA workshop in this. >>>>> >>>>> D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2020, at 8:58 PM, Rafael Friedmann <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I’d like to see examples of how we’ve been able to effectively counter >>>>> the interests of the few to continue with Business-as-usual >>>>> overexploitation or exclusion of externalities and limited analyses of >>>>> broader systemic impacts. This is the crux more than how much we liked or >>>>> not TOC and Hardin. Give me solutions! Give me examples of what has worked >>>>> – but on a massive scale—which is what is needed to actively and >>>>> successfully tackle the broad impacts we are seeing and will otherwise >>>>> experience with global climate change. >>>>> >>>>> Rafael >>>>> *From: *DG Webster >>>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 31, 2020 10:13 AM >>>>> *To: *Ronald Mitchell >>>>> *Cc: *GEP-Ed List >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [gep-ed] RE: Tragedy of the Commons >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ron, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for raising the discussion. I was horrified when I first read >>>>> the full version of Hardin't ToC piece, having only read excerpts in >>>>> various courses. My last book, Beyond the Tragedy in Global Fisheries, is >>>>> essentially a long, drawn-out refutation of the ToC as the fundamental >>>>> problem in fisheries governance. It's probably too fisheries-centric for >>>>> most but the core concept of power disconnects links up Ostrom, Buck, and >>>>> other great suggestions here. In short: When the people making decisions >>>>> about resource use (through markets, government, etc.) are able to >>>>> insulate >>>>> themselves from the costs of overexploitation, power disconnects are wide >>>>> and environmental damage will be high. When the people making decisions >>>>> about resource use are vulnerable to those costs, then power disconnects >>>>> are narrow and they're likely to figure out some way to manage resources >>>>> sustainably. This could include rules to govern the commons, but extends >>>>> to >>>>> laws, science/tech, etc. More importantly, this perspective asserts that >>>>> social justice isn't a nice add-on to environmental protection but a >>>>> fundamental requirement. Of course, others make similar arguments, many in >>>>> re: pollution as Dana pointed out. Would be great to see more >>>>> interdisciplinary work on the concept. See attached for an >>>>> interdisciplinary paper that uses power disconnects as part of a critique >>>>> of ITQs and other panaceas in fisheries. >>>>> >>>>> best, >>>>> dgwebster >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "gep-ed" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gep-ed/28abb6cd-08df-4ff8-8294-9416941bafdan%40googlegroups.com >> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fgep-ed%2F28abb6cd-08df-4ff8-8294-9416941bafdan%2540googlegroups.com%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter&data=02%7C01%7Crebecca.gruby%40colostate.edu%7Cb4da3663c3e3435c76f408d8506d105d%7Cafb58802ff7a4bb1ab21367ff2ecfc8b%7C0%7C0%7C637347776649868166&sdata=YviRvF%2BoYJyRl6QHsFygSS3hzVYV8BdAD3rY4tkoIfM%3D&reserved=0> >> . >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "gep-ed" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gep-ed/2AE17790-287D-41E8-8AED-952A543E3956%40colostate.edu >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gep-ed/2AE17790-287D-41E8-8AED-952A543E3956%40colostate.edu?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "gep-ed" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gep-ed/CAKXOMYG-9OMLrKWHFXhPhSLk%3DcuXVK2kMPZKGPm8nwrkLkurSA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/gep-ed/CAKXOMYG-9OMLrKWHFXhPhSLk%3DcuXVK2kMPZKGPm8nwrkLkurSA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- Cristina Y. 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