Okay, this is starting to get out of hand. We all have different opinions, A.G.
has very strong and reasonable opinions, and we shouldn't start getting mean
about it. Let's all continue to ship safely, refuse to ship, accept shipments,
and/or ignore shipping altogether peacefully.
Paige
a gangi wrote:
> >From: ". Tiffany Hewkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >.... but this is starting to get on my nerves.... Can you all take this
> >topic off list<
>
> Well, its too bad that you are this upset by a topic. This Is a list to
> discus gerbils and the issues of shipping gerbils are on topic to this list.
>
> >as we all know that views of shipping depends on the person. Don't get me
> >wrong, I am not saying that this is right or wrong, but this is getting
> >rediculious.<
>
> NO no and no.
> It is a FACT, *postal* shipping animals is ILLEGAL.
> You can think its "ok" but its still not legal, just liek soem peopel will
> say "smoking pot is ok" but if they are caught they will still very likely
> be arrested and convicted.
>
> >It is not illegal to ship livestock, yes folks, ANY LIVING THING THAT
> >BREATHEWS EATS AND DRINKS THAT IS NOT HUMAN in the states. If you are
> >shipping across borders thats different, but you can ship anywhere in
> >the states.
>
> It is true its not illegal to ship animals in the country enless the
> state/city prohibts the species- for example, i can legally ship a gerbil
> from illinois to ohio by driving it there or sendign it by delta dash (air
> freight for animals)
>
> What IS ILLEGAL are CERTAIN METHODS of shipping, one of which is POSTAL
> SHIPPING.
>
> >And further more, IF, IF it were illegal, they would not
> >fine in excess of $1500.00. I don't know where the figures of hundreds
> >of thousands are coming from<
>
> It wasnt hundreds sorry, that was a type. it is TENS of thousands though
> plus decades of jail time, or both! I don't make this stuff up, The figures
> come from TITLE 18 of the UNITED STATES CODE 1716d. for mailing anything
> unmailable under TITLE 39 UNITED STATES CODE 3015(a), (b) and (d). The
> greatest amount posible for shipping nonmailables is $10000 or 20 years in
> prision OR BOTH.
> THIS ('title 18....') IS A FEDERAL LAW. The fines listed are quoted from
> this.
>
> Go to your school or city library and ask them how to look the law up if you
> don't beleive me. You prolly can find it online too, but I havent the time
> to search for it.
>
> >, but mabe you should do a little more
> >research before you start with figures of anysort.<
>
> You really should practice what you preach and do soem research yourself
> befor you scream foul at others who HAVE.
>
> List for me what court transcripts and laws, specifically you have read that
> reassure you with such certainity that *postal* shipping of rodents is
> legal. If you were dragged off to court today after being discovered of
> postal shipping, how would you defend yourself???
>
> The postal service is subject to the restrictions in TITLE 18 of the UNITED
> STATES CODE (federal law) which prohbits mailing matter that is outwardly or
> of its own force dangerous to life, health or property.
>
> The following quoted directly from the Hazardous, Restricted nd perishable
> Mail Publication from the United States Postal Office, Publication #52, July
> 1999 which is a revision in accordance with the current standards of the
> DOMESTIC MAIL MANUAL (DMM) c020-c024 and Title 18 of the United States Code
> (federal laws)
>
> 211: GENERAL
> Under 18 USC 1716, All mater that is outwardly or of its own force,
> dangerous or injurious to life health or property is nonmailable. The
> knowing deposit of such matter in the mail is punishable by fine,
> imprisonment and/or other penalty....
>
> 525.2 LIVE WARM BLOODED ANIMALS
> The following are examples of othe live warm blooded animals that are
> nonmailable:
> a. cats or kittens. b. dogs or puppies. c. guinea pigs. d. hamsters. e.
> mice. f. rabbits. g. rats. h. squirrels and flying squirrels.
>
> 526 MAILABLE LIVE ANIMALS
>
> 526.1 GENERAL
> a. Live bees b. live day old poultry and c. live adult fowl, d. live
> scorpions (only under limited circumstances) e. Other small harmless cold
> blooded animals. f. Dead animals or parts of animals.
>
> (NOTE FROM ME: the circumstances for scorpions is a) medical research and b)
> for manufacture of anti-venom - AG)
>
> >OH, and one more
> >thing, stop with the gruesome stories of supposed trajedies with
> >livestock. I think that this is just a feeble attempt for those against
> >shipping to try and petrify those who are shipping to try to limit the
> >access and supply of some gerbils.<
>
> WHY woudl I want to limit peopel from access/supply? I share stories out of
> CONCERN for the animals and the people involved. If you think that warning
> peopel about the dangerous that could befall their animals is a "feeble
> attempt to petrify" you have some serious growing up to do!
>
> Do you think they show footage of car crash tests as well as of real crashes
> caught on tape. just to "petrify" teenagers and scare them out of driving
> and independance??? Oh yes this must be it- to torment new drivers- has
> absolutely NOTHING to do with concern for their safety, LIVES or the health
> and lives of innocent peopel around them.
>
> If you tell peoepl NOT to share stories and warn people- then many more
> peopel will repeate the same mistakes- resulting in more and more animals
> suffering and dieying horribly. Is this what you want? Or do you want
> people to be warned so that at the very least, they can consider the risks
> and take precautions?
>
> ~A.G.
> www.rodentfancy.com
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