> From: Greg Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: committers (again) > > > On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 03:58:38AM -0000, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >... > > From: Dain Sundstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: State of the Project > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 16:11:25 -0500 > >... > > Another challenge facing us is how to grow the committer > base. There > > is some perception of a cathedral clique of insiders, whereas in > > Yup. One of the reasons that I suggested adding committers > ASAP. The more you wait, the more you reinforce this. You've > got a lot of people banging on the door, more than willing to > help. Open it, already. And do it on your own terms rather > than having the PMC do it.
The door is open, but everyone is milling around in confusion. Let's fix it. > > > reality, many of the project management issues have arisen > because the > > current committers are not used to working together and are > new to the > > Apache Way. With the initial startup phase behind us, we will be > > looking to expand the project rapidly over the next couple > of months. > > There are few true barriers to adding committers. The notion > of "current committers are not used to working together" is a > red herring. You're already working with the community at > large. It has nothing to do with the current set of committers. > I don't think it's a red herring, I think it is a major part of the confusion. None of the folks new to Apache really know how it is supposed to work and, as I understand it, are tasked with the responsibility of deciding. IIRC only one person, ever, at ASF has had commit revoked, which should make granting it a decision not to be taken lightly. > I would recommend coming up with, say, a list of four people > and submit that list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for consideration. How > about by end of week? > Do we do this in public, or private? This is not a cathedral question, but an attempt to handle the case where someone gets proposed, someone -1's the proposal and has to justify it - how do we avoid embarrassing or humiliating a contributor? > If you don't want to do this, then let's hear a discussion > about why. My previous emails on this subject have gone > unanswered. :-( > We do want to do it (at least I do) - and we could use some guidance from the PMC. -- Jeremy
