Cabrera, Alan wrote:


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From: Bill de h�ra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Fwiw, the answer to this problem is to eliminate implmentation specific descriptors where possible. To paraphrase jwz - some people, when confronted with a vendor specific J2EE descriptor think "I know, I'll use a deployment tool." Now they have two problems.


I'm not sure if this is an argument to eliminate implementation specific
descriptors where possible or a commentary on the current state of
deployment tools.

:)

I'd like to think that in some alternate reality, there is a J2EE spec where the specified descriptors are adequate for building J2EE backed systems.

But... I'd also like to be in a situation some time from now where I could deploy to Geronimo without using any Geronimo specific descriptors. Maybe that's just not possible, or maybe we're simply inured to vendor specific descriptors as a way of working, but in any case, I would argue that Geronimo look to minimize the descriptors it needs over and above the J2EE ones. The tools argument is secondary to that imho.


If you are using the latter to justify to former I would think that this
would be a case of the tail wagging the dog.

I'd hate to see it come to pass that descriptors got piled onto to Geronimo with impunity because the deployment tools were good - I have no doubt whatsoever that the community involved can write excellent deployment tools. But if I wanted to be locked-in (and that is the bottom line with vendor specific descriptor metadata), I wouldn't be interested in J2EE to begin with.


Bill de h�ra



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