> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill de h�ra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Cabrera, Alan wrote:
>
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Bill de h�ra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>Fwiw, the answer to this problem is to eliminate implmentation
> >>specific descriptors where possible. To paraphrase jwz - some
> >>people, when confronted with a vendor specific J2EE
> descriptor think
> >>"I know, I'll use a deployment tool." Now they have two problems.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure if this is an argument to eliminate implementation
> > specific descriptors where possible or a commentary on the current
> > state of deployment tools.
>
> :)
>
> I'd like to think that in some alternate reality, there is a J2EE
> spec where the specified descriptors are adequate for building J2EE
> backed systems.
>
> But... I'd also like to be in a situation some time from now where I
> could deploy to Geronimo without using any Geronimo specific
> descriptors. Maybe that's just not possible, or maybe we're simply
> inured to vendor specific descriptors as a way of working, but in
> any case, I would argue that Geronimo look to minimize the
> descriptors it needs over and above the J2EE ones. The tools
> argument is secondary to that imho.
>
>
> > If you are using the latter to justify to former I would think that
> > this would be a case of the tail wagging the dog.
>
> I'd hate to see it come to pass that descriptors got piled onto to
> Geronimo with impunity because the deployment tools were good - I
> have no doubt whatsoever that the community involved can write
> excellent deployment tools. But if I wanted to be locked-in (and
> that is the bottom line with vendor specific descriptor metadata), I
> wouldn't be interested in J2EE to begin with.
In my alternate reality, ;), fierce competition would lead to such constant
innovation that there would always be vendor specific descriptors.
To be sure, indiscriminate piling on of Geronimo descriptors with impunity
would be a bad thing; I see no discussion here even intimating that
scenario. And even if it did happen, I, an application developer, would not
be locked-in because I am following the J2EE spec.
Regards,
Alan
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