Hey guys, be nice. I think you're being too hard on Ryan. Norm, you asked for ideas and Ryan came up with some - don't flame him just 'cos they don't match the (undocumented to my knowledge) missing feature list. Constructive redirection would get you some help rather than lose a volunteer.
Ryan, please try and work it out with Norm. If not, you are right, there are plenty of other areas to work on and help is greatly appreciated, honest :-) -- Jeremy > -----Original Message----- > From: Sonnek, Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:08 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: Fw: console-web > > > Just trying to help out where I think I can. I'm new to geronimo, and to > try and understand what the hell is going on, I thought starting > small would > be good. UI does not impact the underlying system, but it DOES provide a > great chance to learn what is going on under the covers. > > Removing html from the jsp custom tags is just one of my pet peeves. It > completely restricts someone that does not the system what is > going on from > making improvements. I hate to see any application ignore the role of the > "designer" (which I am not claiming to be! I know about as much > "layout" as > a blind monkey) > > But all I'm really trying to do is find a way to understand > what's going on > and help out where I can. I see this as a great learning > experience for me > to be exposed to JMX and hopefully I can branch out from there and help > other places. If anyone has ideas on an area that could use work, like > testcases, or someplace that would be a good introduction, I > could start out > there. Looking through the testsuite didn't work for my local > build, since > all the clover reports were showing 0% coverage (anyone else see this?). > J2EE has a high learning curve and building a J2EE app server > requires a lot > of understanding. > > I am just looking for a way into this project, and would be glad > to look in > another area. > > Ryan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dain Sundstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:54 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fw: console-web > > I'm guessing because right now we need basic features like operation > invocation. Once we get some basic features we can look at > re-architecting the system, but now it is early. Anyway, to me most of > the suggestions look like differences in web design philosophy. > > -dain > > On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 06:13 AM, James Strachan wrote: > > > FWIW Ryan's points all seem pretty valid to me; I don't see why you're > > recommending he goes off to SF or that his ideas are over-engineered. > > > > > > On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 06:22 am, n. alex rupp wrote: > > > >> Ryan, > >> > >> Let's please keep discussions about this on the list : ) > >> > >> I think your ideas below are overengineered, but you sound like > >> you've given > >> it a lot of thought and perhaps the ideas have merit, but they'll > >> best be > >> judged when they're backed up with some code. You might start a > >> project at > >> sf.net and build this sucker from the ground up (doesn't seem that > >> you'll > >> need to reuse any of the pieces we've got), and when you get it > >> working, we > >> can take a look at it and either use it to replace what we've got, or > >> merge > >> the two together, using the best parts of each. Get the web > >> application > >> working, and we'll go from there. > >> > >> I'm working on adding simple functionality like method invocation. > >> Perhaps > >> we can join our stuff together somewhere down the line. You might > >> also look > >> into other projects which are building generic libraries for working > >> with > >> JMX. I think Simone Bordet knows of a good one (but I can't remember > >> it for > >> the life of me) > >> > >> Good luck and welcome : ) > >> -- > >> N. Alex Rupp > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ryan Sonnek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:44 PM > >> Subject: Re: console-web > >> > >> > >>> ok, here are my ideas. please let me know if they go against any > >>> design > >> you > >>> had in mind. > >>> > >>> 1. remove html from JSP custom tags. > >>> 2. use JSTL in jsp tags to output lists of JMX services > >>> 4. use xdoclet to generate web.xml and taglib.tld. > >>> 3. refactor majority of code into reusable JMX client for use with > >>> other > >>> "consoles". i think this might work best to add a new module, so > >>> that the > >>> console-web module has a dependency on the new module. this would > >>> allow > >> for > >>> the taglib.tld to be picked up automatically without having to > >>> specify it > >> in > >>> the web.xml > >>> > >>> i think that was pretty much it. i have not done any development for > >>> geronimo, but have gone through the wiki extensively. what would be > >>> the > >>> best way to go about this? do the development, create a patch, and > >>> submit > >>> it to JIRA? > >>> > >>> if i have questions, should i email you directly, or would the dev > >>> list or > >>> wiki be a better communication spot? Oh, and i wanted to let you > >>> know > >> that > >>> it's great to see other minnesota based J2EE developers! i'm from > >>> mankato > >>> myself, and down here, J2EE is still in it's infancy. > >>> > >>> Ryan Sonnek > >>> > >>> ------------ > >>> "God is the Lord of angels, of men - and of elves." > >>> - J.R.R. Tolkien > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: "n. alex rupp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: "ryan sonnek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> Subject: Re: console-web > >>>> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 17:42:10 -0600 > >>>> > >>>> Ryan, > >>>> > >>>> Go ahead and post your ideas : ) > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> N. Alex Rupp > >> > >> > > > > James > > ------- > > http://radio.weblogs.com/0112098/ > > > > > > /************************* > * Dain Sundstrom > * Partner > * Core Developers Network > *************************/ >
