In article <[email protected]>, Simon Ward <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8 April 2015 21:50:01 BST, Alan Milewczyk <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> I've been a member of quite a few lists over my 20+ years on the net > >>> and all lists I've ever been on required you to be a member to be > >>> able > >to > >>> post to it. > >> Are these the lists of the cabals, the elite and the brotherhoods? ;) > >Uh? I take it that's an attempt at humour? > In my experience most of these lists have been for "closed" groups, or > those that have some issue with outsiders, hence the snarky remark. Well, my experience is also that almost all the email lists I use do require the posters to register and be approved as a block against spamming, etc. None of them are what I'd regard as fitting your "sarky" description. They mostly relate to topics like engineering, computing, or other similar subjects. > > Anyway, I see no problem with requiring posters to be members. > I do. As someone else said it lowers the barrier to entry, and this is > largely a support list. Why should everyone who ever uses get_iplayer, > which is free software, be required to subscribe to the list just to ask > a question? To cut down on the chance of being spammed or having their email address and interests logged by others who may be akin to the types about which you made "sarky" comments, perhaps. Or even because companies may be trawling for such data to sell on to companies. And so on. The idea that having to register is a "deterrent" has to be placed against it also being a "deterrent" to realise that you are providing a spamming mechanism and that any postings may attract unwanted irrelevant or malicious emails, or give personal info out freely. I certainly have avoided posting here as often as I might if the list required registration and also had no web scrape weakness. Of course, you may think that a good outcome... ;-> > I know one retort for that, but I consider it off-putting to > users and harmful to a community, which is "if you want help from us you > must join in and participate and give back". That can be intimidating > and unwelcoming for the uninitiated, regardless of its benign intention. Yes, *whatever* you do, some will regard it as a "deterrent". It cuts both ways so really isn't an argument for either side. As an example of the current "deterrent" effect: I was trying to decide yesterday if I should post here to let people know I've recently put up a webpage at http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/BBC/AudioFactory/AudioFactory.html which may be of some interest to get_iplayer users and perhaps its developers. I've no idea if people are happy with the above being mentioned. But until I decided to comment anyway on the 'OT' matter I wasn't going to bother *because the exposed nature of this list does make me want to post as infrequently as possible*. Consider the point that people who are "deterred" by the existing setup may never appear here to say so for a self-defining reason. :-) Personally I dislike the way this list is set up. But I accept that its a matter for the person(s) who set up and run it. And so just use it when my reasons for doing so outweigh my wish to minimise spam and avoid allowing unknown third parties to gather info on my activities and interests from postings here. If the scraping is being done 'per new posting' I guess I'll now get another spam or two. But I hope some people here think my pointing out the above page is a useful contribution. I plan to write more about the innards and history of iplayer in due course. Jim -- Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html _______________________________________________ get_iplayer mailing list [email protected] http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/get_iplayer
