My First GIF: http://www.geocities.com/klairbab/alpha.gif
(It's part of http://www.geocities.com/klairbab/verbcomb.html but I can't pass you the #doorbell portion of the url, because Yahoo! is mangling the anchor) Hey, Gimp really is great! Thanks. Joe PS > > > Do I move the whole layer? > > > > It looks like I can "select" the layer using the Layer dialog and move > > the entire layer to position the text. I'll try that tomorrow. That > > would be easier than cutting and pasting regions on the drawing > > surface, like you do with mspaint, but I got pretty good at it. What > > bothered me was moving the edges of the layer off screen. I don't like > > surprises. > > > that quality can become useful. there is a difference between canvas > size and image size. if at any moment you are extremely uncomfortable > with some of the image stuff not being in view in the image area, simply > Image/Canvas to image size (or something like that in the menu). Moving the Text boxes around was a breeze. I just made sure the "Φοντο" layer was current (must be "Background" in English). Then I chose the Move tool and simply moved the cursor, slowly, over the text. A little hand appeared, which I clicked, and got the Move icon again. The scope was clear, and I could position the text inside the ellipses, no problem. I didn't even need to consider the layers. > the text tool has several options, one of them is a reset. please use > the reset button and then be careful of which font you choose. the free > software tends to show you all of your computer fonts. not all of those > fonts were made for decorative image making. Ok, I'll remember that, the reset button... The font I'm using is the TTF Times New Roman I took off a Windows system. I chose 14 pt. but the .xcf came out a little small. Looks more like 8 pt. The gif actually compares well with the browser, just a little smaller than expected. The rasterization process must be the same (of course). > > Hey! I couldn't find any grid. > > > View/Grid Sorry about that. I found the Grid, no problem. I have a Greek desktop and I overlooked it. > > I noticed one of the layers had a grid-like background, don't know how > > it got there, and I couldn't make it do anything with it, so I gave > > up. > > > it is also possible to paint a grid onto a layer. > Filters/Render/Patterns/Grid, perhaps you did this. What is that checkerboard pattern? > > How would I go about creating an mspaint user interface for the gimp? > > > i would start by seeing if you can get it to compile on windows first. > then ask again for instructions here. No need to do that... Gimp just as easy as mspaint after all. If mspaint is a "paint program", then gimp is too, only better. > > Can I do it with your scheme interpreter? > > > you would have to answer this yourself. No, I don't think so... If your Scheme is anything like AutoLisp it can only be used in the application domain, to automate the drawing process, like a macro language. I don't expect I can put new buttons in the tool box. Hm, maybe I can.. I was thinking I'd probably need a programming language, like C, and your plug-in interface, to extend gimp, but I still don't know what you consider a plug-in, hm, transformers for other file formats? > i wonder even if mspaint is a > scheme thing using libgimp. there is no way of knowing what the heck ms > did to make software! Wouldn't that be funny, if MS ripped you off. You wouldn't be the first victim. > > Curious thing, AutoCad also has a Lisp interface, which none of my > > architect friends can use. > > > > Who inspired who? > > > meanwhile, ICQ claims all .scm (i read this somewhere on the internet) > Sorry, what is ICQ and .scm? > to me, personally, it speaks well of your friends to not be able to use > lisp. It also makes me more useful. :) Thanks Carol, Great email. Great program. On 1/26/06, Carol Spears <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 26, 2006 at 09:39:26PM +0200, Joe Schaffner wrote: > > > > > What exactly is a layer? > > > > A drawing is made up of layers. Why? Each layer has attributes which > > are combined to produce a total visual effect. This means you can add > > and subtract layers, join them, etc. > > > > Some of these attributes must be the fuzzing, shadowing, smearing, > > etc.... the artsy stuff, which a newbie like me would not be > > interested in. > > > > A layer can be transparent. Perfect. When I create a text box I must > > also be creating a layer. > > > making masks and manipulating the transparency of each layer is the only > thing missing from this nice answer to your own question. > > > > Do I move the whole layer? > > > > It looks like I can "select" the layer using the Layer dialog and move > > the entire layer to position the text. I'll try that tomorrow. That > > would be easier than cutting and pasting regions on the drawing > > surface, like you do with mspaint, but I got pretty good at it. What > > bothered me was moving the edges of the layer off screen. I don't like > > surprises. > > > that quality can become useful. there is a difference between canvas > size and image size. if at any moment you are extremely uncomfortable > with some of the image stuff not being in view in the image area, simply > Image/Canvas to image size (or something like that in the menu). > > > Hey! I couldn't find any grid. > > > View/Grid > > you can adjust the size of the grid via the preferences. > > > I'm used to drawing on a gridded surface. I need the grid to line up > > components and I can't do that using the rulers on the edges of the > > drawing surface, and the measuring tools have a learning curve... > > These learning curves are cumulative. > > > > I noticed one of the layers had a grid like background, don't know how > > it got there, and I couldn't make it do anything with it, so I gave > > up. > > > it is also possible to paint a grid onto a layer. > Filters/Render/Patterns/Grid, perhaps you did this. > > also, if you drag the mouse from the rulers you can get a guide. > > > > Do I select an object by selecting the layer? > > > > To be honest, I was expecting to be able to point at an "object" and > > select it by simply clicking, but it was much more complicated than > > that, and I wasn't sure exactly what a selection tool was or a path. > > > the gimp has an understanding of too many "objects". perhaps you want > all instance of a color, maybe you would like all continuous instance of > a color. perhaps you want all the image area outside of a path that you > have not shown to gimp yet. it is more complex than what you are used > to. > > > There was something called a "moving selection" layer or something. I > > don't know how I got it, but it had something to do with the selection > > tools, or the "move" button, which also was highly context-sensitive, > > so I couldn't do much with that either. > > > floating selections. much controversy. if you use gimp often, you will > understand how it works. > > > > Does it make sense to draw inside a text object? > > > > I can edit the letters in the text box. Boy was the font quality > > crappy, much worse than the browser. You must not be using the same > > font transformation the rest of the world is. > > > the text tool has several options, one of them is a reset. please use > the reset button and then be careful of which font you choose. the free > software tends to show you all of your computer fonts. not all of those > fonts were made for decorative image making. > > please do not be frightened about this new glimpse into your computer. > those system fonts actually (occasionally) make nice button images > because they do work at lower resolutions. > > > I wonder if I can create layers inside a text box too, which also have > > graphics, like lines and circles... > > > no. the text layer is a special layer. if you save your work as xcf, > gimp should be able to access the text and the font if it is still > available to it where you open it. > > you can do all of those things on layers around it. tranforming the > text layer in any way beyond moving it will make it be a paint layer > with no text memory other than the shape. > > > > Is it an object at all? > > > > I suppose, a layer is an object, but my figures do not look much like > > objects, I mean I cannot create them as objects, give them names, make > > them into components, like an arrow, with a head and tail, then > > instantiate the object. Of course, you'd have to do this with a svg > > program, but I couldn't tell what gimp was just by looking at it. > > There sure are alot of windows. > > > > How would I go about creating an mspaint user interface for the gimp? > > > i would start by seeing if you can get it to compile on windows first. > then ask again for instructions here. > > > Can I do it with your scheme interpreter? > > > you would have to answer this yourself. i wonder even if mspaint is a > scheme thing using libgimp. there is no way of knowing what the heck ms > did to make software! > > > Curious thing, AutoCad also has a Lisp interface, which none of my > > architect friends can use. > > > > Who inspired who? > > > meanwhile, ICQ claims all .scm (i read this somewhere on the internet) > > to me, personally, it speaks well of your friends to not be able to use > lisp. > > carol > > > http://modern-greek-verbs.tripod.com/ > > http://www.geocities.com/klairbab/ > > > > On 1/24/06, Joe Schaffner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > I have SuSE Linux 9.2 and need to do some simple line drawings I'm > > > doing for a book I'm translating. The site is at: > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/klairbab/ > > > > > > I know Microsoft Paint pretty well, so you can imagine my surprise > > > when I opened up gimp. > > > > > > It looks like a paint program but it's not. I discovered I can draw > > > ellipses and rectangles by "selecting" a path then "stroking" the > > > path. > > > > > > Pretty neat. > > > > > > But I'm having a hell of a time selecting and moving objects around. > > > > > > It looks like each Text object is being placed its own "layer". > > > > > > What exactly is a layer? > > > Do I select an object by selecting the layer? > > > Do I move the whole layer? > > > Does it make sense to draw inside a text object? > > > Is it an object at all? > > > > > > All I need is a monocrome gif, but it would be nice if the resulting > > > drawing were scalable, one which would grow and shrink if the user > > > zooms in using the browser. > > > > > > Does gimp do that? > > > > > > I have friends who use AutoCad and are always talking about scalable, > > > vector graphics. AutoCad also uses layers, but I've forgotten exactly > > > what the were. > > > > > > Can you help? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Joe > > > http://modern-greek-verbs.tripod.com/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gimp-user mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user >
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