On the subject of providing rich metadata (including a hi-res image): in the Netherlands we have a great summary of this discussion by the Rijksmuseum about their "Yellow Kitchenmaid", who as some may recall who have seen the painting, shows a girl wearing a brown, not yellow bodice. https://books.google.nl/books?id=3f1nDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA242&lpg=PA242
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Arne Wossink <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks all for your feedback; keep it coming if you are aware of any other > case-studies! > > @Alex, Whatamidoing: those are good and valid points. As a Wikimedian I > know that the system works this way, and I know the benefits of providing > categories and metadata that are ready for Wikidata. However, when I talk > to museums, most of that knowledge is lost. What would be great to have > (but probably doesn't exist) is a case-study showing: here's what happens > when you provide metadata, versus here's what happens if you don't, with > clear differences in uptake or re-use of media. We have anecdotal evidence > that this is the case (as shown in this discussion), but that's not always > enough to convince GLAMs to support us. > > > Arne Wossink > > Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland > > *(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, Tuesday, > Thursday)* > > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505 <+31%206%2011000505> > E-mail: [email protected] > > *Postadres*: > * Bezoekadres:* > Postbus 167 Mariaplaats 3 > 3500 AD Utrecht Utrecht > > 2017-05-17 20:34 GMT+02:00 Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder < > [email protected]>: > >> Let me expand on what Alex says with two examples of what's great about >> metadata specifically about how ti integrates with Wikidata: >> >> 1) You can get information about art in general. Have you read >> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/08/23/wikidata-glam/ ? There is a map >> in the middle of the blog post that shows where notable works of art are >> from, and it was generated from metadata that had been imported to >> Wikidata. >> >> 2) Metadata puts your art into Wikipedia articles. A number of the >> Wikipedias are using Wikidata-aware infobox templates, which means that >> when Wikidata has an entry about the artwork, then the artwork or details >> about it can instantly appear at any Wikipedia that pulls metadata from >> Wikidata. Look at the infobox at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wi >> ki/Paysage_de_la_vall%C3%A9e_de_l%27Arno Everything in that box at the >> moment is pulled from Wikidata, from the image to the name of the art >> museum that holds it. The article itself only contains {{Infobox Art}}. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:09 AM Alex Stinson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Arne, et. al. >>> >>> I think the greatest benefit right now, in practical terms, is >>> increasing the discoverability through search and through the current >>> category and linking structured between Wikidata and Wikipedia (for >>> example, interwiki language links on the left-hand side of Wikipedia pages >>> are increasingly including Commons Categories from Wikidata). We don't have >>> a huge amount of evidence, that these things support access (and would >>> welcome any examples folks want to share, like Jos -- or if they have a >>> tactic for examining this data). >>> >>> In the long term, the greatest benefit will be ease of migration to >>> Structured Data on Commons -- which has lots of discovery and arbitrary >>> query potential. Recently, I wrote a couple recommendations for Martin >>> Poulter, which, if done with GLAM collections now, I am imagining will help >>> a migration to Structured Data on Commons: >>> >>> - Including as many descriptive metadata templates as you can in >>> existing Commons infoboxes (Institution templates, creator templates, >>> technique templates (basically every type of sub-template type listable >>> at >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Artwork >>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Artwork> ). These are >>> mapped almost 1-to-1 by a few folks on Commons, so should be fairly easy >>> to >>> migrate long term. >>> - Ensuring that Commons categories are mapped one-to-one with how >>> Wikidata concepts are being used (depicts, vs topics related to an >>> object), >>> and doing it on Wikidata with Property:P373 property. >>> - If items are described in Wikidata, adding as many fields as >>> possible. >>> >>> The Structured data on Commons team is still being assembled, and will >>> be doing research that builds on some initial research from the Wikidata >>> team before doing community consultations around design next-steps: >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HeavyCom >>> monsUserQualitativeResearch.pdf . I am not sure what the final shape >>> of the project's impacts will be/look like, but the more metadata that is >>> consistently displayed now, the easier it will be for the community or >>> institution to take advantage of the benefits of structured Commons later >>> (such as easing attribution and embedding of the mediafile in other >>> sources, surfacing media files in multilingual search, etc). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Alex Stinson >>> >>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Arne Wossink <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jos, >>>> >>>> Yes, those would be the kind of interaction that would be interesting >>>> to see happening as a result of providing metadata to images. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> >>>> Arne Wossink >>>> >>>> Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland >>>> >>>> *(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, >>>> Tuesday, Thursday)* >>>> >>>> Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505 <+31%206%2011000505> >>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>> >>>> *Postadres*: >>>> * Bezoekadres:* >>>> Postbus 167 Mariaplaats 3 >>>> 3500 AD Utrecht Utrecht >>>> >>>> 2017-05-16 15:31 GMT+02:00 Arne Wossink <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Reem, >>>>> >>>>> Metadata, in this case, refers to the data from the information or >>>>> artwork (or other) template that's used when an image is uploaded to >>>>> Commons. So it's not the exif-data, but information about, for example, >>>>> who's the maker of a painting, when did he make it, what techniques did he >>>>> use. Take, for example, the data from this upload: >>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NL-HlmNHA_53004672_Kaaiman.tif >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Arne Wossink >>>>> >>>>> Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland >>>>> >>>>> *(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, >>>>> Tuesday, Thursday)* >>>>> >>>>> Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505 <+31%206%2011000505> >>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> *Postadres*: >>>>> * Bezoekadres:* >>>>> Postbus 167 Mariaplaats >>>>> 3 >>>>> 3500 AD Utrecht Utrecht >>>>> >>>>> 2017-05-14 21:31 GMT+02:00 Jos Damen <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> After adding Category:People_being_vaccinated to this file >>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ASC_Leiden_-_ >>>>>> Coutinho_Collection_-_G_07_-_Ziguinchor,_Senegal_-_Vaccinat >>>>>> ion_-_1973.tiff by User Hans Muller, it was picked up by >>>>>> User:Kopiersperre, who added: Category:Jet_injectors and added the image >>>>>> to >>>>>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impfpistole >>>>>> >>>>>> Other example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ASC_Leiden_ >>>>>> -_Coutinho_Collection_-_A_37_-_Surgery_in_Sara,_Guinea- >>>>>> Bissau_-_Suturing_the_wound_-_1974.tif >>>>>> >>>>>> best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jos Damen >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-05-13 15:44 GMT+02:00 Arne Wossink <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As best practice we usually encourage GLAMs to provide as many >>>>>>> metadata as possible for media donations. However, providing these >>>>>>> metadata >>>>>>> and "wikifying" them (for examply as part of an upload using Pattypan) >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> be quite a bit of work, either for a Wikimedian or a GLAM >>>>>>> volunteer/staff >>>>>>> member. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do we have any case studies outlining immediate benefits of >>>>>>> providing more metadata? For example, does providing more metadata lead >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> better uptake of images in articles on WP? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arne Wossink >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, >>>>>>> Tuesday, Thursday)* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505 <+31%206%2011000505> >>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Postadres*: >>>>>>> * Bezoekadres:* >>>>>>> Postbus 167 >>>>>>> Mariaplaats 3 >>>>>>> 3500 AD Utrecht Utrecht >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> GLAM mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> GLAM mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> GLAM mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alex Stinson >>> GLAM-Wiki Strategist >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> Twitter:@glamwiki/@sadads >>> >>> Learn more about how the communities behind Wikipedia, Wikidata and >>> other Wikimedia projects partner with cultural heritage organizations: >>> http://glamwiki.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GLAM mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >>> >> -- >> Sherry Snyder (WhatamIdoing) >> Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GLAM mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > GLAM mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam > >
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