https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T165653 has some related information, and suggests using Flemish museums as a case study.
On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 8:13 AM Alex Stinson <[email protected]> wrote: > " What would be great to have (but probably doesn't exist) is a case-study > showing: here's what happens when you provide metadata, versus here's what > happens if you don't, with clear differences in uptake or re-use of media. > " > > I am not sure how I would start that research question, there are a number > of tactics we could take: > > - Do analysis of use of media files in Batch uploads, by percent/time: > as a success indicator, and then evaluate that against some type of > measurement of quality of metadata? > - Try to look at the success of "Challenge campaigns" based on > different kinds of metadata -- and do some qualitative studies of that work > --- asking editors, how it easy it was to use, etc. > - Do some type of "Google and Wikimedia Commons search comparison" -- > where we do google searches around topics adjacent to upload, and see which > GLAM projects get represented in them. > > In part, I think we are a bit hampered by the extant metrics tools, to > getting a good story here. I had a meeting recently with Giovanni Profeta > who has been partnering with WMCH and WMIT to investigate how to visualize > the data that we can access: > http://www.gprofeta.it/visual-tools-for-glams/index.php?title=Visualizations_to_be_included_in_the_website > . Hopefully, this will make its way into WMCH's GLAM metrics tool (once its > deployed), but I think some of these visualizations might provide us easier > methods of analysis here. > > I also think what is missing is a reasonable way to give guidance for and > analyze the quality of the metadata to begin with in our context: > > - Should we develop a metric based on the % of fields used in > Artwork/Photograph/Information templates? > - are there fields that we could prioritize as important? (Creator > template, institution template, long vs short descriptions?) > - Can we describe the use of categories in that metric? > - Do we generate this from their upload model or from a random > sampling of content? > > I, personally, don't have time to do something like this by myself, until > we get closer to the need for GLAM user research for structured commons. > However, I would be happy to sit in on/help organizing a working group in > this (like we are doing on the documentation-front based in followup to > the conversations at the GLAM-Coordinators meeting). > > Alex > > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:50 AM, Arne Wossink <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks all for your feedback; keep it coming if you are aware of any >> other case-studies! >> >> @Alex, Whatamidoing: those are good and valid points. As a Wikimedian I >> know that the system works this way, and I know the benefits of providing >> categories and metadata that are ready for Wikidata. However, when I talk >> to museums, most of that knowledge is lost. What would be great to have >> (but probably doesn't exist) is a case-study showing: here's what happens >> when you provide metadata, versus here's what happens if you don't, with >> clear differences in uptake or re-use of media. We have anecdotal evidence >> that this is the case (as shown in this discussion), but that's not always >> enough to convince GLAMs to support us. >> >> >> Arne Wossink >> >> Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland >> >> *(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, Tuesday, >> Thursday)* >> >> Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505 <+31%206%2011000505> >> E-mail: [email protected] >> >> *Postadres*: >> * Bezoekadres:* >> Postbus 167 Mariaplaats 3 >> 3500 AD Utrecht Utrecht >> >> 2017-05-17 20:34 GMT+02:00 Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder < >> [email protected]>: >> >>> Let me expand on what Alex says with two examples of what's great about >>> metadata specifically about how ti integrates with Wikidata: >>> >>> 1) You can get information about art in general. Have you read >>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/08/23/wikidata-glam/ ? There is a map >>> in the middle of the blog post that shows where notable works of art are >>> from, and it was generated from metadata that had been imported to >>> Wikidata. >>> >>> 2) Metadata puts your art into Wikipedia articles. A number of the >>> Wikipedias are using Wikidata-aware infobox templates, which means that >>> when Wikidata has an entry about the artwork, then the artwork or details >>> about it can instantly appear at any Wikipedia that pulls metadata from >>> Wikidata. Look at the infobox at >>> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paysage_de_la_vall%C3%A9e_de_l%27Arno >>> Everything in that box at the moment is pulled from Wikidata, from the >>> image to the name of the art museum that holds it. The article itself only >>> contains {{Infobox Art}}. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:09 AM Alex Stinson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Arne, et. al. >>>> >>>> I think the greatest benefit right now, in practical terms, is >>>> increasing the discoverability through search and through the current >>>> category and linking structured between Wikidata and Wikipedia (for >>>> example, interwiki language links on the left-hand side of Wikipedia pages >>>> are increasingly including Commons Categories from Wikidata). We don't have >>>> a huge amount of evidence, that these things support access (and would >>>> welcome any examples folks want to share, like Jos -- or if they have a >>>> tactic for examining this data). >>>> >>>> In the long term, the greatest benefit will be ease of migration to >>>> Structured Data on Commons -- which has lots of discovery and arbitrary >>>> query potential. Recently, I wrote a couple recommendations for Martin >>>> Poulter, which, if done with GLAM collections now, I am imagining will help >>>> a migration to Structured Data on Commons: >>>> >>>> - Including as many descriptive metadata templates as you can in >>>> existing Commons infoboxes (Institution templates, creator templates, >>>> technique templates (basically every type of sub-template type listable >>>> at >>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Artwork ). These are >>>> mapped almost 1-to-1 by a few folks on Commons, so should be fairly >>>> easy to >>>> migrate long term. >>>> - Ensuring that Commons categories are mapped one-to-one with how >>>> Wikidata concepts are being used (depicts, vs topics related to an >>>> object), >>>> and doing it on Wikidata with Property:P373 property. >>>> - If items are described in Wikidata, adding as many fields as >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> The Structured data on Commons team is still being assembled, and will >>>> be doing research that builds on some initial research from the Wikidata >>>> team before doing community consultations around design next-steps: >>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:HeavyCommonsUserQualitativeResearch.pdf >>>> . I am not sure what the final shape of the project's impacts will be/look >>>> like, but the more metadata that is consistently displayed now, the easier >>>> it will be for the community or institution to take advantage of the >>>> benefits of structured Commons later (such as easing attribution and >>>> embedding of the mediafile in other sources, surfacing media files in >>>> multilingual search, etc). >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Alex Stinson >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Arne Wossink <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jos, >>>>> >>>>> Yes, those would be the kind of interaction that would be interesting >>>>> to see happening as a result of providing metadata to images. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Arne Wossink >>>>> >>>>> Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland >>>>> >>>>> *(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, >>>>> Tuesday, Thursday)* >>>>> >>>>> Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505 <+31%206%2011000505> >>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> *Postadres*: >>>>> * Bezoekadres:* >>>>> Postbus 167 Mariaplaats >>>>> 3 >>>>> 3500 AD Utrecht Utrecht >>>>> >>>>> 2017-05-16 15:31 GMT+02:00 Arne Wossink <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Reem, >>>>>> >>>>>> Metadata, in this case, refers to the data from the information or >>>>>> artwork (or other) template that's used when an image is uploaded to >>>>>> Commons. So it's not the exif-data, but information about, for example, >>>>>> who's the maker of a painting, when did he make it, what techniques did >>>>>> he >>>>>> use. Take, for example, the data from this upload: >>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:NL-HlmNHA_53004672_Kaaiman.tif >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Arne Wossink >>>>>> >>>>>> Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland >>>>>> >>>>>> *(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, >>>>>> Tuesday, Thursday)* >>>>>> >>>>>> Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505 <+31%206%2011000505> >>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> *Postadres*: >>>>>> * Bezoekadres:* >>>>>> Postbus 167 >>>>>> Mariaplaats 3 >>>>>> 3500 AD Utrecht Utrecht >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-05-14 21:31 GMT+02:00 Jos Damen <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> After adding Category:People_being_vaccinated to this file >>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ASC_Leiden_-_Coutinho_Collection_-_G_07_-_Ziguinchor,_Senegal_-_Vaccination_-_1973.tiff >>>>>>> by User Hans Muller, it was picked up by User:Kopiersperre, who added: >>>>>>> Category:Jet_injectors and added the image to >>>>>>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impfpistole >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Other example: >>>>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ASC_Leiden_-_Coutinho_Collection_-_A_37_-_Surgery_in_Sara,_Guinea-Bissau_-_Suturing_the_wound_-_1974.tif >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> best regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jos Damen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2017-05-13 15:44 GMT+02:00 Arne Wossink <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As best practice we usually encourage GLAMs to provide as many >>>>>>>> metadata as possible for media donations. However, providing these >>>>>>>> metadata >>>>>>>> and "wikifying" them (for examply as part of an upload using Pattypan) >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> be quite a bit of work, either for a Wikimedian or a GLAM >>>>>>>> volunteer/staff >>>>>>>> member. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do we have any case studies outlining immediate benefits of >>>>>>>> providing more metadata? For example, does providing more metadata >>>>>>>> lead to >>>>>>>> better uptake of images in articles on WP? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Arne Wossink >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Projectleider / Project Manager Wikimedia Nederland >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *(Werkdagen: maandag, dinsdag, donderdag / Office hours: Monday, >>>>>>>> Tuesday, Thursday)* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505 <+31%206%2011000505> >>>>>>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Postadres*: >>>>>>>> * Bezoekadres:* >>>>>>>> Postbus 167 >>>>>>>> Mariaplaats 3 >>>>>>>> 3500 AD Utrecht Utrecht >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> GLAM mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> GLAM mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> GLAM mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alex Stinson >>>> GLAM-Wiki Strategist >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> Twitter:@glamwiki/@sadads >>>> >>>> Learn more about how the communities behind Wikipedia, Wikidata and >>>> other Wikimedia projects partner with cultural heritage organizations: >>>> http://glamwiki.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> GLAM mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >>>> >>> -- >>> Sherry Snyder (WhatamIdoing) >>> Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> GLAM mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> GLAM mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam >> >> > > > -- > Alex Stinson > GLAM-Wiki Strategist > Wikimedia Foundation > Twitter:@glamwiki/@sadads > > Learn more about how the communities behind Wikipedia, Wikidata and other > Wikimedia projects partner with cultural heritage organizations: > http://glamwiki.org > _______________________________________________ > GLAM mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glam > -- Sherry Snyder (WhatamIdoing) Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation
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