Thanks Fae! So it looks like there's no way of designating the language of say an artwork title as "Romanised Chinese, Pinyin System" and "Romanised Japanese, Modified Hepburn" is that correct? I suppose I could simply state those additional titles as a separate field, maybe called "Romanised Title", or within the notes and not worry about using a template for those.
Best, Nora -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 20 May 2015 15:45 To: [email protected] Subject: Glamtools Digest, Vol 26, Issue 8 Send Glamtools mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/glamtools or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Glamtools digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map (Tim Waters) 2. Re: [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map (Rob H Warren) 3. Re: [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map (Rob H Warren) 4. Re: Hello + language template enquiry (Fæ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:27:38 +0100 From: Tim Waters <[email protected]> To: Mailing list for the Wikimaps project <[email protected]> Cc: Conversations revolving around the development of GLAM Digital Tools <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Glamtools] [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map Message-ID: <CAOKL=Gy5e+Vg_XQZNCGXBJ_FgGrPKdFJ052SfGS=bcom+tr...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Folks, James is correct, there are two ways to import existing Ground Control Points. The first is in CSV format for imported maps which has to be run by a server admin - ideally this should be exposed as part of the user interface. This can handle multiple maps and multiple points at once. The second is doing it by hand via the user interface - a user can paste in coordinates manually, so that would be the easiest and quickest way for individual maps. In the control panel, click "control points" link and then the "add control point manually" button, and paste in the coordinates. Regarding projections - for many old maps these cannot be used accurately, because paper stretches, the lens on the camera may distort things, the map may have folds or be made of several images, or it may be inaccurately surveyed. In theory it could be possible to reverse engineer the original projection based on the solution of the control points - that could be a fun exercise for someone to do even though it would have no utility for the warper. Regards, Tim On 27 April 2015 at 12:48, Rob H Warren <[email protected]> wrote: > > Mapwarper could do so without too much trouble (Tim?); it is unlikely > that the projection can be estimated since an algorithm could not > differentiate between error and projection fit. -rhw > > > On Apr 25, 2015, at 9:18 AM, James Heald <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > There is a slot for that in the Commons {{map}} description template > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Map > > > > using the field "projection", > > > > with a handful of values that have internationalisations defined at > > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:I18n/map_projection > > > > But it's not clear whether/how the template should store relevant > parameters. > > > > I'm not sure whether the information can be used as a baseline by > MapWarper yet. (Tim ?). Or whether there are good scripts available > to estimate a projection, given georeferencing points. > > > > -- J. > > > > On 25/04/2015 13:06, Rob H Warren wrote: > >> If we are going to go through the trouble of storing > >> geo-referencing > data, we would be silly not to add original projection type when known. > There are a few specs on github for ideas. -rhw > >> > >>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, James Heald <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> MG_1773.jpg,12,23,11.2,32.2 > >>> IMG_1773.jpg,12,23,10.2,31.1 > >>> > >>> from which there is script that an admin can use to add the data > >>> to > the map-warper. > >>> > >>> This doesn't capture all of the data stored by Klokan > >>> Georeferencer -- > eg the useful information as to what layer the image was georeferenced > against -- but is enough to get the geo-referencing data into the > system, and to then get it out in various formats, including serving > georeferenced tiles. > >>> > >>> > >>> Sorry if it's all still a little bit round-the-houses; but with > >>> luck > everything should get a bit more streamlined, as we get more geared up > for large scale import. > >>> > >>> (There are already a couple of thousand images on Commons with > >>> links > to external georeferencing, either at NYPL or the British Library; > plus ready to be uploaded to Commons a further 6,000 georeferenced map > images from the BL Mechanical Curator collection, just as soon as I've > got auto-categorisation a bit more worked out, with that number > currently increasing by approximately a further 100 georeferenced > images a day > >>> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_ > Curator_collection/georeferencing_done > ). > >>> > >>> As far as I know, nobody has yet actually used the script to > >>> import > pre-existing georeferencing onto the warper.wmflabs.org server, so I'm > quite interested to see how you get on! > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> James. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimaps mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimaps > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimaps mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimaps > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimaps mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimaps > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/glamtools/attachments/20150427/3909c022/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 09:06:43 -0300 From: Rob H Warren <[email protected]> To: Mailing list for the Wikimaps project <[email protected]> Cc: Conversations revolving around the development of GLAM Digital Tools <[email protected]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: [Glamtools] [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If we are going to go through the trouble of storing geo-referencing data, we would be silly not to add original projection type when known. There are a few specs on github for ideas. -rhw > On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, James Heald <[email protected]> wrote: > > MG_1773.jpg,12,23,11.2,32.2 > IMG_1773.jpg,12,23,10.2,31.1 > > from which there is script that an admin can use to add the data to the > map-warper. > > This doesn't capture all of the data stored by Klokan Georeferencer -- eg the > useful information as to what layer the image was georeferenced against -- > but is enough to get the geo-referencing data into the system, and to then > get it out in various formats, including serving georeferenced tiles. > > > Sorry if it's all still a little bit round-the-houses; but with luck > everything should get a bit more streamlined, as we get more geared up for > large scale import. > > (There are already a couple of thousand images on Commons with links > to external georeferencing, either at NYPL or the British Library; plus ready > to be uploaded to Commons a further 6,000 georeferenced map images from the > BL Mechanical Curator collection, just as soon as I've got > auto-categorisation a bit more worked out, with that number currently > increasing by approximately a further 100 georeferenced images a day > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection/georeferencing_done > ). > > As far as I know, nobody has yet actually used the script to import > pre-existing georeferencing onto the warper.wmflabs.org server, so I'm quite > interested to see how you get on! > > Best regards, > > James. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:48:59 -0300 From: Rob H Warren <[email protected]> To: Mailing list for the Wikimaps project <[email protected]> Cc: Conversations revolving around the development of GLAM Digital Tools <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Glamtools] [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mapwarper could do so without too much trouble (Tim?); it is unlikely that the projection can be estimated since an algorithm could not differentiate between error and projection fit. -rhw > On Apr 25, 2015, at 9:18 AM, James Heald <[email protected]> wrote: > > There is a slot for that in the Commons {{map}} description template > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Map > > using the field "projection", > > with a handful of values that have internationalisations defined at > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:I18n/map_projection > > But it's not clear whether/how the template should store relevant parameters. > > I'm not sure whether the information can be used as a baseline by MapWarper > yet. (Tim ?). Or whether there are good scripts available to estimate a > projection, given georeferencing points. > > -- J. > > On 25/04/2015 13:06, Rob H Warren wrote: >> If we are going to go through the trouble of storing geo-referencing >> data, we would be silly not to add original projection type when >> known. There are a few specs on github for ideas. -rhw >> >>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, James Heald <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> MG_1773.jpg,12,23,11.2,32.2 >>> IMG_1773.jpg,12,23,10.2,31.1 >>> >>> from which there is script that an admin can use to add the data to the >>> map-warper. >>> >>> This doesn't capture all of the data stored by Klokan Georeferencer -- eg >>> the useful information as to what layer the image was georeferenced against >>> -- but is enough to get the geo-referencing data into the system, and to >>> then get it out in various formats, including serving georeferenced tiles. >>> >>> >>> Sorry if it's all still a little bit round-the-houses; but with luck >>> everything should get a bit more streamlined, as we get more geared up for >>> large scale import. >>> >>> (There are already a couple of thousand images on Commons with links >>> to external georeferencing, either at NYPL or the British Library; plus >>> ready to be uploaded to Commons a further 6,000 georeferenced map images >>> from the BL Mechanical Curator collection, just as soon as I've got >>> auto-categorisation a bit more worked out, with that number currently >>> increasing by approximately a further 100 georeferenced images a day >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection/georeferencing_done >>> ). >>> >>> As far as I know, nobody has yet actually used the script to import >>> pre-existing georeferencing onto the warper.wmflabs.org server, so I'm >>> quite interested to see how you get on! >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> James. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimaps mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimaps >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimaps mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimaps ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 15:44:30 +0100 From: Fæ <[email protected]> To: Conversations revolving around the development of GLAM Digital Tools <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Glamtools] Hello + language template enquiry Message-ID: <cah7nnd1ynor7nffl5oankr36y_wes3ntv-acees_qqvtmfe...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Nora, The Commons language policy can be found at < http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Language_policy>. To put any language in an artwork or information template, you just add a template around the text like {{en|1=<your text>}} for english or {{zh|1=<your text>}} for chinese. The language templates are listed with more explanation at <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Language_templates > As an example, here's one in a mass upload of mine from the World Digital Library < http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Comprehensive_Calendar_Arranged_by_Subject_Matter_WDL7091_V2.pdf > it displays in 7 languages, you should be able to toggle between them unless your settings are to display all languages at the same time. Cheers, Fae On 20 May 2015 at 13:40, McGregor, Nora <[email protected]> wrote: > Hiya! Just introducing myself to the list as I suspect I’ll have lots > of questions for you over the course of trying to learn the GWToolset! > Ally Crockford, James Heald and Jonathan Cardy were very helpful last > week in getting us up to speed over at British Library. > > > > I’m currently working on getting this collection up so you may see > lots of tests on the Beta Site around that > http://www.jacar.go.jp/english/jacarbl-fsjwar-e/gallery/index.html. > > > > I’ve just about got my xml file crafted but want to add in the right > language templates and am having a bit of trouble finding the right ones. > Please see the metadata attached. > > > > *Images created in Japan* > > English (en) > > Japanese (ja) > > Romanised Japanese (?) > > > > *Images created in China* > Chinese (?) > English (en) > > Romanised Chinese, Specifically Pinyin (?) > > Japanised (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanization)/ Translation of > the Chinese into Japanese (?) 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