The best argument against a runaway greenhouse on Earth is the
observation that it hasn't happened yet.  Most of Earth's history has
had higher CO2 levels than today without triggering a Venus-like
runaway.  The Earth has been as high as ~2000 ppmv CO2 in the last 150
million years, and ~5000 ppmv during the last 500 million.  Even if
you burn all the declared fossil fuel reserves on Earth you'd have a
hard time finding enough to go much past 1000 ppmv, so it is quite
unlikely that we could reach a state that exceeded the natural
variation during the recent geologic past.  Hence, history indicates
that the climate avoids a Venus-like runaway under the foreseeable
concentrations humans are likely to create.

On very long time scales, some evidence suggests CO2 concentrations
may have been as high as 1 bar at 3.5 billion years ago, though at
that time the atmosphere would have been very different and solar
luminosity only 70% of modern.

-Robert Rohde

On Jan 2, 11:02 am, Michael Tobis <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have always believed that the "runaway greenhouse" was not possible
> on earth, but from my point of view that is hearsay; I've never seen
> the calculations.
>
> Venus is cloud covered and this has not prevented a runaway greenhouse there.
>
> The idea that increased column humidity necessarily leads to either
> increased cloud cover or increased precipitation is not correct in
> itself; you have to appeal to the complexities of the climate system.
>
> (Current evidence is strong that column precipitation increases much
> more slowly than column humidity; this has important implications for
> the large scale circulation. I don't know what the projections are for
> clouds and wouldn't entirely trust them. All of this, though, presumes
> conditions much less catastrophic than Hansen is discussing.)
>
> I think it's an unfair summary to say that Hansen is actually
> predicting a Venuslike state for the earth; he is simply speculating
> upon it under a reporter's questioning. He may be political enough to
> be reluctant to say "a runaway greenhouse won't happen". But he didn't
> say it will.
>
> Amid all the gloom (which I think and hope is a bit excessive in what
> we see of the Hansen interview), I remain amused by the common
> grammatical form of earth scientists, the "second person planetary" as
> in "But with continued rapid increase in greenhouse gases, you could
> melt the ice sheets in less than a century". Who, me?
>
> mt

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