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At 05:13 AM 1/16/02 +0000, ryan wubben wrote:
>I am a relatively new Forney owner that has Cleveland brakes. When I
first 
>bought it in October, it had no problems when I set the brake and ran up.

>Now it does not hold when I run up. Could this be the pads (which were 
>just recently replaced) or leakage of the brake fluid?

Probably not pads. More likely a fluid leak, quite likely from the master 
cylinder.
Look on your belly. (No, not YOUR belly, the airplane's belly, dammit.) Do
you
see any golden-brown stains on the left side, just aft of where the
leading
edge of the wing is? Or maybe out some drain holes further back? Kinda
crusty stuff? If so, that's brake fluid likely coming from the master
cylinder.

Rather than rebuilding the old one, the best fix is Skyport's STC'd master
cylinder. It's a much better 'match' to the Cleveland brakes than the
original,
and a vast improvement. It isn't even very expensive as airplane things
go.

It's kind of a bitch to get in, if you're not a small person. Not much
room 
under
there.

>And where is the reservoir for the brake fluid on Forney's? (I'm
obviously 
>not an A&P!).

I think the Forney is like the 415 in that the fluid reservoir is what
appears
to be a vinage-1946 4oz evaporated milk can with a 1/8" NPT pipe fitting
soldered onto the top for a filler. It sits on the bottom of the firewall
right
in front of the pilot. The master cylinder is just the other side of
the firewall, at the end of a 6-inch hose.

I shall chide you only gently to remind you that it is the responsibility 
of the
owner/operator of the aircraft to keep it full, and if you don't even know

where it is...
...'nuf said.

The best way to check the fluid level is to use a plastic cable-tie for a 
dip-stick.

If the fluid is really low, you most certainly have air in the system, and
will need to bleed the brakes. But you are probably also experiencing a
leak.

As the owner of a vintage airplane, you may have to shake off the 'hands
off,
it's someone else's responsibility' culture that renter-pilots become 
indoctrinated
with via their flight schools. Prepare to (and prepare to enjoy) become
quite
intimate with the 'systems' in your little bird.  The bad news is you'll 
need to,
as you won't be able to depend on mechanics for everything. The good news
is that they are simple as dirt.

If you do end up messing about with the master cylinder (under supervision
of your A&P) come back here for a briefing on how to get it out, get it
back
in, bleed the brakes and test it. There's an easy way and a hard way. As
me
how I know :-)

Greg

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