Hi,

15 apr 2010 kl. 11.11 skrev Ramachandran G:

> Hello Par:
>        Using the latest git i could able to work on my  oxy-hemoglobin system 
> with new gromacs version 4.0.5 successfully.
CHARMM is not supportd in version 4.0.5, you probably mean the developer 
version?

> But since my new gromacs version was not installed in parallel i tried using 
> older version of gromacs 3.3.1 which was installed in parrallel. While doing 
> grompp to get the *.tpr file, i am getting the below error.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Program grompp, VERSION 3.3.1
> Source code file: topdirs.c, line: 103
> 
> Fatal error:
> Invalid dihedral type 9
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is because we have made changes in the source code to allow for the CHARMM 
ff (we added a new dihedral type, see paper, that is causing this particular 
error). So, you have to run with the developer git version.

Regards,
Pär

> 
> I am planning to install the newer gromacs version also in parallel but in 
> the mean time i also wanted  to rectify the above error, if i can. Thank you.
> 
> Rama
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Pär Bjelkmar <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have now added the charmm files to git head and the protein and lipid parts 
> should work at least. Simply check out the latest git and the charmm 
> parameters should show up in pdb2gmx.
> 
> /Pär
> 
> 11 mar 2010 kl. 03.04 skrev Ramachandran G:
> 
>> Hello Bjelkumar,
>>          Thanks for your reply. I will wait until you add the new force 
>> field to the git.
>> 
>> regards,
>> rama
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:47 AM, Pär Bjelkmar <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I have that on my schedule for next week. That is to add the new force field 
>> format to the git source code tree. Until then you could use the old format 
>> if you checkout a previous version of the source code. I guess you know 
>> about git otherwise there's some info here 
>> http://www.gromacs.org/Developer_Zone/Git/Basic_Git_Usage
>> 
>> So start by getting a copy of the latest _developing_ version (git head) of 
>> gromacs source code:
>> $ git clone [email protected]:gromacs.git
>> The force field files were update in end of January to you could checkout a 
>> version from Jan 27 by:
>> $ git checkout d80138d720fd41a5005238adecd5bfd5400e524c
>> 
>> then compile. Now it should work if you got the HEME parameters from Michel. 
>> Alternatively you wait until end of next week when I think I have had time 
>> to add the new force field format to the git head.
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> /Pär
>> 
>> 1 mar 2010 kl. 21.21 skrev Ramachandran G:
>> 
>>> Dear Pär Bjelkmar,
>>>          After getting help from Michel Cuendet still i am facing problem 
>>> and i 
>>> understood that in groamcs latest version 4.0.x  problems may come due to 
>>> CMAP.
>>> He suggested me to seek your help. Could you help me to get new toplogy
>>> format charmm files which can adapt the HEME sections to that.
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Rama
>>> 
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Michel Cuendet <[email protected]>
>>> Date: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 1:03 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ffcharmm27 for HEME
>>> To: Ramachandran G <[email protected]>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Mr. Ramachandran,
>>> 
>>> This means you are using grompp from the distribution version 4.0.x.
>>> This version of gromacs does not know about the CMAP forcefield term.
>>> You have two options :
>>> 
>>> 1) Deactivate CMAP. This would be equivalent to using the charmm22 ff
>>> instead of the charmm27, which many people consider fine. To do this,
>>> edit the file ffcharmm27.rtp and delete all [cmap] sections. This
>>> _should_ work.
>>> 
>>> 2) Download the git development version, which knows how to handle CMAP.
>>> I know they have been changing topology formats in the latest versions,
>>> but I hope it is still able to read the old topologies. Otherwise, you
>>> will have to ask Par Bjelkmar for the charmm files in the new topology
>>> format, and adapt the HEME sections to that.
>>> 
>>> Sorry it is a bit messy at the moment. But everything should become part
>>> of the gormacs4.1 distribution.
>>> 
>>> Bye,
>>> Michel
>>> 
>>> Ramachandran G wrote:
>>> > Dear Mr. Michel,
>>> >         Thank you very much for you help and time.
>>> > Although i could able to do pdb2gmx and get the *.top file still, i
>>> > have problem in getting the 'tpr' file using grompp. This is due the
>>> > 'cmap'
>>> >
>>> > I would try to fix the problem myself but still if the problem persist
>>> > then i will get back to you. Thank you again.
>>> >
>>> > regards,
>>> > Rama
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Michel Cuendet
>>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     Dear Mr. Ramachandran,
>>> >
>>> >     Attached is a tar file containing the ffcharmm27 forcefield files
>>> >     modified for the HEME and an optional CO ligand.
>>> >
>>> >     Note that I also wanted to add the O2 ligand, but the original charmm
>>> >     parameters seem to be inconsistent. For example, the FE-OM-OM angle is
>>> >     180deg, which is wrong. And there is no angle defined for NH2-FE-OM,
>>> >     while a strong angle is required to keep the ligands axial. So we have
>>> >     corrected this and guessed a couple of missing parameters for our own
>>> >     use. But I do not include them to the official ffcharmm27
>>> >     distribution,
>>> >     which should stay as close as possible to the original charmm
>>> >     force field.
>>> >
>>> >     There is a subtlety with the histidine binding to HEME. The Charmm
>>> >     patch
>>> >     PHEM defines a dihedral term only with NA and not with NB,NC, or ND.
>>> >     ;       1CD2  1NE2  2FE  2NA       (1 = HSD, 2 = HEME)
>>> >     In gromacs we cannot differentiate between NA, NB, NC, and ND of the
>>> >     heme (and special values cannot be attributed in the rtp file for
>>> >     dihedrals involving atoms from other residues). Given the symmetry of
>>> >     the HEME we can distribute the dihedral over NA, NB, NC, and ND. So we
>>> >     divide the original force constant (0.2092) by four. This should give
>>> >     pretty much the same behavior in practice.
>>> >
>>> >     In order to treat the HEME with pdb2gmx, you have to (assuming the
>>> >     HEME
>>> >     is covalently bound to an histidine in chain A):
>>> >
>>> >     1) Attribute HEME to chain A (Covalent bonds only within one chain)
>>> >
>>> >     2) Move HEME to end of chain A (all atoms of one chain have to be
>>> >     consecutive for gromacs)
>>> >
>>> >     See the attached pdb file as an example.
>>> >
>>> >     I hope it will work. Do not hesitate to contact me if you have any
>>> >     additional questions,
>>> >
>>> >     Best regards,
>>> >     Michel
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     > *Från: *Ramachandran G <[email protected]
>>> >     <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
>>> >     <mailto:[email protected]>>>
>>> >     > *Datum: *22 februari 2010 23.56.42 CET
>>> >     > *Till: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> >     <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> >     > *Ämne: **ffcharmm*
>>> >     >
>>> >     > Hi Pär Bjelkmar,
>>> >     >      Thank you for the charmm force field patches for gromacs. It is
>>> >     > very much useful for me. However presently i am facing a problem
>>> >     since
>>> >     > these force fields do not  have 'HEME' group in it.  I tried to
>>> >     add it
>>> >     > manually but unsuccessful. Could you help me in adding the HEME
>>> >     group
>>> >     > to the ffcharmm patches. Your help would be highly appreciated.
>>> >     >
>>> >     >
>>> >     > Ramachandran. G
>>> >     > --
>>> >     > Postdoctoral Research Scholar,
>>> >     > Department of Chemistry,
>>> >     > University of Nevada, Reno.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Postdoctoral Research Scholar,
>>> > Department of Chemistry,
>>> > University of Nevada, Reno.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Postdoctoral Research Scholar,
>>> Department of Chemistry,
>>> University of Nevada, Reno.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Postdoctoral Research Scholar,
>> Department of Chemistry,
>> University of Nevada, Reno.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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