Sai Pooja wrote:
Hi,

This is the .mdp file that produces notes-3 and 4. However, the previous md file produces note-3.

; RUN CONTROL PARAMETERS
integrator               = md
dt                       = 0.002
nsteps                   = 5000000

; OUTPUT CONTROL OPTIONS
nstxout = 0 ; No output, except for last frame (coordinates) nstvout = 0 ; No output, except for last frame (velocities) nstfout = 0 ; No output, except for last frame (forces) nstlog = 500000 ; Write every step to the log nstenergy = 500000 ; Write energies at every step
xtc_grps                 = Protein
nstxtcout = 500000 ; Do not write a compressed trajectory energygrps = Protein Non-Protein ; Write energy information separately for these groups

; NEIGHBORSEARCHING PARAMETERS
nstlist                  = 5
ns-type                  = Grid
pbc                      = xyz
rlist                    = 2.0

; OPTIONS FOR ELECTROSTATICS AND VDW
coulombtype              = Reaction-field-zero
rcoulomb                 = 1.8
epsilon_rf               = 0
vdw-type                 = Switch
rvdw                     = 2.0
rvdw-switch              = 1.6


Well, here's the problem. Read about proper usage of the switch function, especially the note about the size of rlist:

http://manual.gromacs.org/current/online/mdp_opt.html#vdw

-Justin

; Spacing for the PME/PPPM FFT
fourierspacing           = 0.12
; FFT grid size, when a value is 0 fourierspacing will be used =
fourier_nx               = 0
fourier_ny               = 0
fourier_nz               = 0
; EWALD/PME/PPPM parameters =
pme_order                = 4
ewald_rtol               = 1e-05
epsilon_surface          = 0
optimize_fft             = no
; Temperature coupling
tcoupl                   = nose-hoover
tc-grps                  = Protein  Non-Protein
tau_t                    = 0.2      0.2
ref_t                    = 300      300

; Pressure coupling pcoupl = no

; OPTIONS FOR BONDS constraints = all-bonds constraint-algorithm = SHAKE
shake_tol                = 0.0001

Pooja



On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>> wrote:



    Sai Pooja wrote:

        Hi,

        I am trying to reproduce results from a paper which uses this
        cutoff. The work is on loop-folding and they use implicit
        solvent. I am using explicit solvent with charmm 27. Below is my
        mdp file. I am not sure if there is any advantage in using a
        large cut-off.



    Large cutoffs can cause artifacts.  This .mdp file also does not
    match the error message you quoted before.  If it is indeed
    accurate, then it looks like your .mdp file is being interpreted
    incorrectly (2.0-nm cutoffs instead of 1.8 nm). If there is a
    misinterpretation, file a bugzilla.  If you've simply posted the
    wrong file, please post the correct file, if necessary.  But I'd
    suggest you do some homework about the effects of long cutoffs,
    especially if they deviate from what the force field derivation
    requires.

    -Justin

        ; VARIOUS PREPROCESSING OPTIONS
        title                    = NVT simulation (constant number,
        pressure and temperature)
        cpp                      = /lib/cpp
        define                   =-DPOSRES

        ; RUN CONTROL PARAMETERS
        integrator               = md
        dt                       = 0.002
        nsteps                   = 100000

        ; OUTPUT CONTROL OPTIONS
        nstxout                  = 10000
        nstvout                  = 0
        nstfout                  = 0
        nstlog                   = 10000
        nstenergy                = 10000
        nstxtcout                = 0
        xtc_precision            = 0
        xtc-grps                 = System
        energygrps               = Protein Non-Protein

        ; NEIGHBORSEARCHING PARAMETERS
        nstlist                  = 5
        ns-type                  = Grid
        pbc                      = xyz
        rlist                    = 1.8

        ; OPTIONS FOR ELECTROSTATICS AND VDW
        coulombtype              = PME
        fourierspacing           = 0.12
        rcoulomb                 = 1.8
        epsilon_rf               = 78
        vdw-type                 = Cut-off
        rvdw                     = 1.8

        ; FFT grid size, when a value is 0 fourierspacing will be used =
        fourier_nx               = 0
        fourier_ny               = 0
        fourier_nz               = 0
        ; EWALD/PME/PPPM parameters =
        pme_order                = 4
        ewald_rtol               = 1e-05
        epsilon_surface          = 0
        optimize_fft             = no

        ; Temperature coupling  Tcoupl                   = Berendsen
        tc-grps                  = Protein  Non-Protein
        tau_t                    = 0.2      0.2
        ref_t                    = 300      300

        ; Pressure coupling     Pcoupl                   = Berendsen
        Pcoupltype               = Isotropic
        tau_p                    = 1.0
        compressibility          = 4.5e-5
        ref_p                    = 1.0

        ; GENERATE VELOCITIES FOR STARTUP RUN
        gen_vel                  = no    ; Assign velocities to
        particles by taking them randomly from a Maxwell distribution
        gen_temp                 = 300.0  ; Temperature to generate
        corresponding Maxwell distribution
        gen_seed                 = 9999   ; Seed for (semi) random
        number generation.


        ; OPTIONS constraints              = all-bonds

        Pooja







        On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Justin A. Lemkul
        <jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>
        <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu <mailto:jalem...@vt.edu>>> wrote:



           Sai Pooja wrote:

               Hi,

               I am getting these notes when I run grompp:

               NOTE 3 [file Init/ffsb_init.top]:
                The largest charge group contains 12 atoms.
                Since atoms only see each other when the centers of
        geometry of
               the charge
                groups they belong to are within the cut-off distance, too
               large charge
                groups can lead to serious cut-off artifacts.
                For efficiency and accuracy, charge group should consist
        of a
               few atoms.
                For all-atom force fields use: CH3, CH2, CH, NH2, NH,
        OH, CO2,
               CO, etc.

               initialising group options...
               processing index file...
               Analysing residue names:
               There are:  3484      OTHER residues
               There are:    67    PROTEIN residues
               There are:     0        DNA residues
               There are:     0        RNA residues
               Analysing Protein...
               Analysing Other...
               Making dummy/rest group for Acceleration containing 11343
        elements
               Making dummy/rest group for Freeze containing 11343 elements
               Making dummy/rest group for VCM containing 11343 elements
               Number of degrees of freedom in T-Coupling group Protein
        is 1777.76
               Number of degrees of freedom in T-Coupling group
        non-Protein is
               20898.23
               Making dummy/rest group for User1 containing 11343 elements
               Making dummy/rest group for User2 containing 11343 elements
               Making dummy/rest group for XTC containing 10450 elements
               Making dummy/rest group for Or. Res. Fit containing 11343
        elements
               Making dummy/rest group for QMMM containing 11343 elements
               T-Coupling       has 2 element(s): Protein non-Protein
               Energy Mon.      has 2 element(s): Protein non-Protein
               Acceleration     has 1 element(s): rest
               Freeze           has 1 element(s): rest
               User1            has 1 element(s): rest
               User2            has 1 element(s): rest
               VCM              has 1 element(s): rest
               XTC              has 2 element(s): Protein rest
               Or. Res. Fit     has 1 element(s): rest
               QMMM             has 1 element(s): rest
               Checking consistency between energy and charge groups...
               Largest charge group radii for Van der Waals: 0.288, 0.263 nm
               Largest charge group radii for Coulomb:       0.288, 0.263 nm

               NOTE 4 [file nvtp.mdp]:
                The sum of the two largest charge group radii (0.551009) is
               larger than
                rlist (2.000000) - rvdw (2.000000)

               Can someone tell me how to correct these?


           Note 3 is explained in detail in the error message.  Beyond that,
           read about the group concept in the manual.

           I've never seen Note 4 before, but a 2-nm cutoff is a bit strange
           for a protein simulation.  Any reason you're using such large
           cutoffs?  You may also want to provide your whole .mdp file
        to see
           if anyone can spot the underlying issue.

           -Justin

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