actually, as far as i know, the -DFLEXIBLE argument has no effect on simulations without explicit water ?!

i just copied the "define" line from my explicit simulation systems .. so, the only define value, that has a meaning is -DPOSRESHELIX.

i didn't use constraints for the first time in my life since implicit solvent simulations incorporate a much smaller number of atoms and are therefore not that expensive computationally. i always use this setting for my explicit simulations only in order to increase the step size to 2fs with a clear conscience ...

best wishes
vedat


Am 28.02.2012 15:18, schrieb Steven Neumann:
Thank you all!
How about -DFLEXIBLE in both em and md?
Steven

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Justin A. Lemkul <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



    lina wrote:

        On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Steven Neumann
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Thank you Vedat!

            Why do you use -DFLEXIBLE in md and in em?
            Why dont you use constraint algorithm (LINCS) in your
            simulation?


        Otherwise, the system is easily explode with lots of LINCS
        warning.


    A system that is unstable will cause the LINCS algorithm to fail,
    but turning off constraints does not prevent a system from
    becoming unstable or crashing.

    -Justin


        Also thanks Vedat for sharing,

        Best regards,

            Steven

            On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Vedat Durmaz
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


                hi steven,

                i've been simulating a 33 AA peptide for the past two
                days using implicent
                solvent in order to achieve a proper folding.

                i haven't added counterions, however, the systems
                shows nice results
                according to what i've expected. the mdrun command
                (for the extension) for
                our hardware looks as follows:

                mpiexec -np 4 mdrun -pd -s md.tpr -append -cpi md.cpt
                -deffnm md 2>&1

                and here's the mdp file for the energy minimization:

                define              =  -DFLEXIBLE
                constraints         =  none
                integrator          =  steep
                dt                  =  0.001    ; ps
                nsteps              =  30000
                vdwtype             =  cut-off
                coulombtype         =  cut-off
                pbc                 =  no
                nstlist             =  0
                ns_type             =  simple
                rlist               =  0       ; this means all-vs-all
                (no cut-off), which
                gets expensive for bigger systems
                rcoulomb            =  0
                rvdw                =  0
                comm-mode           =  angular
                comm-grps           =  Protein
                optimize_fft        =  yes
                ;
                ;       Energy minimizing stuff
                ;
                emtol               =  5.0
                emstep              =  0.01
                ;
                ; Implicit solvent
                ;
                implicit_solvent    =  GBSA
                gb_algorithm        =  Still ; HCT ; OBC
                nstgbradii          =  1
                rgbradii            =  0   ; [nm] Cut-off for the
                calculation of the Born
                radii. Currently must be equal to rlist
                gb_epsilon_solvent  =  80    ; Dielectric constant for
                the implicit
                solvent
                ; gb_saltconc       =  0     ; Salt concentration for
                implicit solvent
                models, currently not used
                sa_algorithm        =  Ace-approximation
                sa_surface_tension  = -1


                and for the md run:

                define              =  -DPOSRESHELIX ; -DFLEXIBLE -DPOSRES
                constraints         =  none
                integrator          =  md
                dt                  =  0.001   ; ps
                nsteps              =  1000000000 ; 100000 ps = 100 ns
                nstcomm             =  10
                nstcalcenergy       =  10
                nstxout             =  1000     ; frequency to write
                coordinates to output
                trajectory
                nstvout             =  0       ; frequency to write
                velocities to output
                trajectory; the last velocities are always written
                nstfout             =  0       ; frequency to write
                forces to output
                trajectory
                nstlog              =  1000         ; frequency to
                write energies to log
                file
                nstenergy           =  1000     ; frequency to write
                energies to edr file

                vdwtype             =  cut-off
                coulombtype         =  cut-off

                pbc                 =  no

                nstlist             =  0
                ns_type             =  simple
                rlist               =  0       ; this means all-vs-all
                (no cut-off), which
                gets expensive for bigger systems
                rcoulomb            =  0
                rvdw                =  0

                comm-mode           =  angular
                comm-grps           =  system

                optimize_fft        =  yes

                ; V-rescale temperature coupling is on
                Tcoupl              =  v-rescale
                tau_t               =  0.1
                tc_grps             =  system
                ref_t               =  300
                ; Pressure coupling is off
                Pcoupl              =  no
                ; Generate velocites is on
                gen_vel             =  yes
                gen_temp            =  300
                gen_seed            =  -1

                ;
                ; Implicit solvent
                ;
                implicit_solvent    =  GBSA
                gb_algorithm        =  Still ; HCT ; OBC
                nstgbradii          =  1
                rgbradii            =  0   ; [nm] Cut-off for the
                calculation of the Born
                radii. Currently must be equal to rlist
                gb_epsilon_solvent  =  80    ; Dielectric constant for
                the implicit
                solvent
                ; gb_saltconc       =  0     ; Salt concentration for
                implicit solvent
                models, currently not used
                sa_algorithm        =  Ace-approximation
                sa_surface_tension  = -1


                best regards,
                vedat


                Am 28.02.2012 11:59, schrieb Steven Neumann:

                    Dear Gmx Users,
                    I am using Gromacs 4.5.4 and I would like to
                    implement implicit solvent
                    for folding of my protein. I read mailing list and
                    it is still confusing for
                    me.
                    Is it proper to use counterions within the system?
                    If not, how can I
                    obtain netral system?
                    Do we use cut off for vdw and coulombic interactions?
                    What kind of integrator should be used with a
                    timestep?
                    I will appreciate an mdp file for protein folding!
                    Thank you
                    Steven

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