Larry's responce was taken well, but it also indicated that my "poodle" comment may have offended someone. I am in NO way commenting on any specific person's skill in programming. My point was simply to illustrate that being a programmer is not the only way to be a developer.
-Kevin On 10/17/07, Larry Cafiero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin said: > > ". . . you've got people who have the programming skill of a poddle checking > the copyrights, > raising bugs and making gNewSense more freedom respecting." > > My programming skills have improved that much, eh Kevin . . .? :-) > > [Karl: I may fall into the category of the AWOL. Sorry, but I've been > lurking on the list while I've been away -- family issues and school (a > 50-year-old college freshman here, studying -- what else? -- computer > science). I can say that a.) I have finally got gNewSense up and running on > an old Intel box I saved from the dump (one of several); b.) as soon as I > get my new office sorted out, I will be able to contribute more, especially > in the way of documentation; and c.) I can see how Shuttleworth's comments > could have been taken as a verbose "shut up," however I think Justin is > right -- I think Shuttleworth's intention was to say "everyone has ideas, > but who's going to chop the wood and carry the water (so to speak)?" > Obviously Mark S. could have done better in verbalizing this, and rather > than focus on this, the group should be doing what Kevin correctly says it > has been doing well all along -- having a team of committed individuals > (this author excluded) with varying degrees of programming skills putting > out and maintaining an excellent, totally "free-as-in-freedom" distro. > > Larry Cafiero > < humor >Charter member > gNewSense Poodle Programming Caucus (a.k.a., gNS PPC -- no, not that PPC)< > /humor > > > (Note: The humor tag can be replaced with the humour tag for all English > speakers outside the U.S.A.) > > > > > On 10/17/07, Karl Goetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 11:08 -0400, Justin Baugh wrote: > > > > Folks, this is a -devel list, primarily for discussion of work that > people > > > > are actually doing on Gobuntu. Most of the traffic so far as been > "what we > > > > want from Gobuntu" not "what we will put into Gobuntu". Please don't > use > > > > this list as a forum for demands about your ideal platform - use it to > > > > discuss the work you are willing to put into bringing Gobuntu more > into > > > > line with that ideal. > > > > Gobuntu exists as a forum for action - it will only be as good as the > > > > effort that goes into it. Colin, Evan, Daniel Holbach and others will > help > > > > anyone who wants to put time and effort into Gobuntu achieve that > goal. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > EXCUSE ME?! > > > > > > > > Is he saying that, of all the feedback and ideas on how to make > Gobuntu > > > > more free he is acturaly telling us to basicaly shut up?! > > > > > > You missed his point entirely. > > > > > > What Shuttleworth is saying is that much like on this mailing list, > there > > > are lots of people occasionally clamoring for a feature or something > they > > > want - but want someone else to do it for them. Very rarely on this list > > > (*please* correct me if I am wrong) do you see someone propose a feature > > > that they actually implement themselves. PFV is the only exception of > > > > We have a few of people coming with a request, and then disapearing when > > they get told whats involved (typically backport requests). > > > > > something that lots of people are helping with (btw Chris, as a > sidenote, > > > I disagree entirely that the bottleneck for having a updated gNS release > > > is PFV. It would seem to be instead exclusively related to available > > > developer time). > > > > As i understand it, its not a bottle neck in a serious way. its *awsome* > > to have it done, but until we arnt working on our next release because > > its not done its not a bottle neck. Since gNS's goal was to base off > > ubuntu LTS releases, we arnt there yet :) > > > > > > > > He's basically saying that people making endless requests is unhelpful. > > > And you know what? He's right. It's far more helpful for someone to > > > discuss what work they can actually do to achieve a goal rather than to > > > just clamor for the goal over and over again. He's not telling people to > > > shut up - rather, to put up. gNS should illustrate that making a totally > > > free OS is not an easy task, and not to be taken lightly. Action is > worth > > > ten thousand words. > > > > At least gNS has a 'how to help' page, and definitions as to what should > > be taken out (etc). gobuntu currently lacks these. > > > > > > > > I don't think his response is so horrible, personally. I'm more than > happy > > > to entertain a discussion of why it is, however. > > > > > > -Justin > > > > -- > > Karl Goetz, > > Debian user / Ubuntu contributer / gNewSense contributer > > http://www.kgoetz.id.au > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gNewSense-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gNewSense-users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users > > _______________________________________________ gNewSense-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users
