On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 17:42, Rob Lembree wrote: > On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 17:16, Bruce Dawson wrote: > > > Hmmm. I think we dropped something - Ed's workshop possibility - unless > > he's described this earlier (like: weeks or months ago). > He mentioned it this afternoon in this thread. Linux training > with the guy from Maine, for educators, etc.
Do you mean this: > > Bob, you must have missed by e-mail. I have collections of OSS software > > and a web interface for them that I burn onto CDs to give out at > > presentations to educators. I would be glad to prepare copies and > > design a label for the project. It isn't feasible for me to go to > > Nashua for on site stuff. > Great, that'll help. Let's go offline with this. Please send a > list of what you've got! That didn't mention anything about a "guy from Maine", and the educators part was mentioned almost in passing. So I couldn't figure out what you were talking about until I went pawing through the archives. Can we prevent things like this from happening in the future? Yes - I've set up a TWiki page: http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Gnhlug/WebHome (Fortunately, Ben Scott was gracious enough to go through and re-organize the TWiki and made this space available.) But, if Ed wants his project to be a GNHLUG project, then it too should be listed on that page - and maintained. > > But, I believe that, as far as keeping the organization in a operable > > state, we currently have all that's needed. Of course, its a shell of > > what it could be, but we can work on that later. > Except people who aren't burned out to pitch in. Pretty basic > in my estimation. My point was, the shell will continue to exist once the current activists have gone away (for whatever reasons - burned out, relocated to the south pacific, death, ...) Or if the leadership has changed, or if <insert your experiences here>. We have enough now to keep the formalities of the organization alive and so that someone else can pick up (the pieces) if need-be. (And I'm not suggesting that you step down - although you sound about as burned out as I was when I stepped down, so you may want to). [enter soap-box mode] I for one don't appreciate someone holding the corporate papers hostage just to get a fire lit under the membership. (If education is our mission, then I submit that the educational paradigm requires the majority of the membership be an audience - which almost by definition, is passive). > > > In short, we need to be doing things that fulfills our mission. > > Or kill ourselves doing it? > Ya. If we're not fulfilling our mission, why exist as an umbrella > organization at all? An operative word here is "we". I'd agree that the membership is a little sluggish, but I believe we're far from not fulfilling the mission - look at the mailing list - if that's not educational, what is? And a lot of the meetings are educational too. My point is: I believe you (Rob) are confusing the "we" and "I" - You may believe that we're not fulfilling our mission, but I don't. And we're both part of the membership - I suspect a lot of the whole membership will feel either or both ways. So, this is not a sufficient reason to dissolve GNHLUG (not that it has "precipitated" until the papers are in the state's hands). ]exit soap-box mode] > > I didn't understand that's what was needed of the "library project". For > > some reason, I got the impression that it needs some programming and > > presentations, ... > Just CDs for the moment. It'd be nice to do talks too, and they'd > like that as well. OK. I can handle both of those - but maybe I should ask: what kind of talks? > > Oh. If that's what's needed, I can burn CDs (and possibly even DVD's, > > and I need an excuse to try that out). Count me in. (But not until > > March). I just need the ISO images... > The idea would be that you'd burn stuff you use, so you'd download > for your own use, and give the library a copy that you've tried > out. I'm not clear why they want only stuff *I* use. If you can give me the URLs for the messages describing the project (before Friday), then I'll enter it into the Wiki. It could clear up a lot of confusion. > > Ah ha! Now, who finds the library I give it to? (I need a name, address, > > ... with which to deliver the CD(s)). Does someone already have them, or > > do I have to find them myself? > The original posting identified the library as Nashua Public. I > don't have time to hand-hold more than one at the moment. The > rest are details that I'd work out with the contributors. For > example, you can mail them to me, and I'll deliver them, or I > can put you in contact with the library folks who are lined up > to package them to go into circulation. Again, this information would be useful in the Project Description. Putting it in the Wiki means *we* (not just one person) can fine-tune it as things change. > > For which library? And how are they being trained? Can you "release" > > your training materials for others to improve/use? Also, what about the > > sales pitch you are using? Can you share that? > Sigh. Again, these are details that I'd planned to share with the > contributors who were to have signed up. I didn't get any (but > it now looks as though you may sign up?) As I said, I'm interested, but I want to better know what I'm getting into. > For the moment, we don't need training materials, just CDs that > are tested, along with 1..many sheets of printed paper to help > newbies find more docs, or perhaps donated printed manuals. > The idea is that the library have CDs for those w/o broadband > who want to try Linux. Once this is in place the library will > advertise this in the paper and in publications that it produces. > The CDs will have GNHLUG info for those who want more help or > who are interested in training. If there's demand for training, > we get a few volunteers to deliver it at the library itself. Ah Ha! The germ of the project. Just what I was looking for, but couldn't remember or find. > gotta head out to the merrilug meeting now. Sigh. Wish I could make it tonight! --Bruce
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