(I really intended this to be a separate topic, not attached to "NC 
Shows...", but I was misled by the convenience of snagging some email 
addresses.)

    In response to Ben's comments in the misplaced thread, I am not 
promoting any part of the list in the posting - or even the idea of a 
December meeting.  I just thought it would be good to get decision 
makers (which I am not) to clear away any alternatives soon, so we can 
have a timely announcement.

On Saturday 01 December 2007 21:24, Ben Scott wrote:
> [Author's note: The following is all strictly In My Opinion.  I don't
> speak for anyone but myself.]
>
> On Dec 1, 2007 7:56 PM, Jim Kuzdrall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >     3. Taking a chance on getting the lecture room at Martha's for
> > free is risky.  We would not know until the last minute.
>
>   What if we just stay downstairs, eat, drink, swap stories, and
> enjoy each others company?  Kind of like a regular meeting, but
> without that part in the middle where just one person talks.  ;-)

    This is fine.  It was the epicenter of the indecision made at in the 
discussion after the last meeting.

> >     5. Martha's is probably too expensive, but once the pledge
> > money is determined, we could ask.
>
>   You probably won't get many people to pledge anything unless they
> know what they're pledging for.

    That could be true.  But one way to find out is raise the flag and 
see if anyone salutes.
>
>   I also don't think we have time to collect pledge amounts, find a
> function room that's still free and we can afford, then collect
> money, then book the room.  I expect most places will already be
> booked up at this point.

    A post from Arc Riley locates an available place.  Again, I am not 
promoting this idea.  I am just making the alternatives clear.  A pizza 
parlor on a Thursday night - especially a non-alcoholic one - may be 
more available than a place popular for its full service restaurant and 
bar.  

> >    8. Who would take responsibility for finding a place?
>
>   Not me.  :)

    I can't either, because my tastes do not represent those of the 
younger generation that comprises most of the group.  However, if 
someone with the appropriate judgment did step forward, they would get 
support. 

>   I also advise strongly against any personal expenditures on
> anyone's part based solely on non-binding pledges from others.  If we
> want to collect money and then book something with cash in hand,
> that's cool, but somebody paying out in the hopes of being paid back
> will almost certainly result in financial loss on the payer's part. 
> You have been warned.

    Oh yes.  I have been there before.  Having considered the risk 
before the post, I would underwrite any unfulfilled pledges (this is a 
pretty trustworthy group), even if the other pledgers could not.  (Of 
course, if the pledges get up to $4000 and people want a function room 
at the Tara, I would get cold feet.)
>
> >     7. Would beer be an absolute necessity? (silly question, I
> > know.)
>
>   "absolute necessity"?  Obviously not.  What really matters is what
> attendees want.  If most of the attendees want beer, it makes sense
> to go to a place like Martha's.

    Since you can't answer that here, perhaps "obviously not" is a bit 
anticipatory :-).  I can't answer it either, but there are people on 
gnhlug-org who have a much longer association and deeper understanding 
of the group.  I thought they might offer some guidance if the 
alternative got that far.

> We can't answer that here; I'd 
> suggest posting your message to gnhlug-discuss.

    Not until it is worked out at the org level.
>
> >     9. I open with a pledge of $30.
>
>   You'll also reach a much larger audience on gnhlug-dicuss.  There
> are simply not enough people reading gnhlug-org to assemble any
> useful amount of money.

    The $30 pledge was primarily to give an idea of the magnitude and 
thereby the number of pledges sought.  That is, 5 pledges at $30 might 
do it (I have no idea what minimum places want, so this was/is a pure 
guess); on the other hand, we do not have time for nor are we likely to 
get 30 pledges at $5 each.

    If this "underwriting" option is ever taken - for some future event 
like an annual meeting - what level do you-of-the-org suggest might be 
needed so as to get the amount from 3 to 5 donors from the org list 
only?  I view this as something for the inner circle to do, not the 
general "membership". 

>   All that said, I'll conditionally match your pledge of thirty
> dollars, pending satisfactory resolution of all the above.  :)

    Thank you.  Let us see how it works out.  I have no objection to 
Martha's.  (I could get meatloaf!)

Jim Kuzdrall
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