Wow... I have neither the time nor the inclination to count the number of
messages in this thread, but after reading them all thoroughly (it's a
slow day today), I've come to several conclusions.
        IMHO, I think the whole root password access situation comes down
to engineers wanting to feel like they're "the ones in charge".  (And no
flaming me for this, as I know it's a feeling *I* have all the
time) Whenever someone tells us, "you can't have full access to this" we
feel like we're not being trusted, and as people who "know what we're
doing", we feel as if we damn well SHOULD have access, especially if it's
considered to be our machine (which, if you work for a company, it is NOT
yours).
        So basically, I think this really is just turning into a
sysadmins vs. engineers battle of wits, which seems to me, in my
not-so-humble opinion, to be wasting bandwidth and causing tempers to
flare.  Just so that I don't sound like a total preacher or anything, I
find myself agreeing with Derek that generally, engineers *don't* need the
root password, but THINK that they do.  If the sysadmins and engineers
spent as much time talking about security and working things out as we've
spent talking about it on this list, all of the problems would be solved.

Just my two cents... okay, more like a dollar...

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