To Ray,
I am not going to address the Sendmail question as it has been thoroughly
dissected.
Let me explain the Lug meetings to you. We have 5 Chapters with monthly
meetings. Each Chapter Chair every few months has asked for suggestions for
meeting topics. Sometimes they get them sometimes they don't. Since we have
formed this new organizational mode (with the GNHLUG and the Sub-chapters)
we have had much success with presenting many topics and subects as
thorough as can be dealt with in the hour and half and that we find most
people are willing to sit through. Then we also have had times when we have
had more speakers available than meetings and we have had times where we
have had cancellations of speakers and just not eough time to get someone
else. But, have only cancelled two meetings since Jan of 1999. Both times,
the cancellation notices did go out by email the day of the meeting.
My guess is what happened to you by the time you are suggesting you waited
until, and no one showed up, is that this was probably one of the meetings
at Nashua, either a Merrilug meeting or a quarterly GNHLUG meeting and the
group were downstairs eating dinner as is the usual habit.
When I started attending the Nashua meetings and enjoyed the dinners before
going up to the meetings, there were less people and Martha's seemed more
able to handle a group of 10-15 people and get us served, the food eaten,
bills paid and the meeting was generally started in the 7:10 pm range.
Since I was elected (Yes I know Ben - when I volunteered) to be Chairman
replacing the un-replacable maddog, I made a concerted effort to continue
and get more people involved in the dinner part feeling that the
friendships gained in this hour to hour and a half were the value added to
the meetings since there was little chance for people to get to know each
other during the meetings, and many have to leave directly after the
meetings. So yes, the meetings have been starting in the 7:30 range.
However, and I do know that maybe some people don't read all the emails, or
check the calendars or go to the GNHLUG site before every meeting, but the
dinners before are certainly announced and I guess that if I were at
Martha's and no one was upstairs on a meeting night, I would certainly go
downstairs and check to see if any GNHLUG people were eating dinner.
I for one, would not vote to stop the practice of the dinners and the
chance to meet, greet and enjoy the company of the wonderful people I have
met in this time, and hope others feel the same way. I have actually made
the last two announcements reflect the length of the dinners by announcing
the meeting to start at 7:30 pm.
My apologies to your frustrations and certainly hope you will come to a
meeting or two. We will continue as a group to make the speakers, the
announcements, and the topics, as user friendly, informative, and as time
efficient as possible.
Jerry Kubeck
Chairman, GNHLUG
>Ray,
>
>>How can you possibly justify $2k to any manager (or Wife for that matter)
>
>I probably would not be able to justify $2k to my wife (if I had one), but
>I sure
>could justify $2k of training on sendmail to my manager if I had three or four
>thousand nodes that I was responsible for.
>
>The justification would go like this:
>
>"After attending this training, your system administrator will be able to
>set up
>mail filtering, routing and managing ten percent faster, and with five percent
>fewer mistakes. In addition, efficiencies shown in this course will mean that
>(on average) your sendmail daemon will use five percent less CPU cycles than
>when installed right from the box."
>
>Assuming a weighted average salary of $140,000 per year, this would save
>me $14K
>per year just on employee salary alone, plus untold savings on less email
>downtime
>and system savings.
>
>Notice that Paul said:
>
> o four days of training (not one hour as in a LUG meeting)
> o simulated mail/network environment
> o limited to five additional people (probably a small class)
>
>And don't even try to pull the "Microsoft would not need this". The same
>thing
>either occurs in MS land, or their software just can't do it.
>
>I use Linux sendmail as it comes out of the box. Sure, I could tune it if
>I wanted,
>and I have the books and knowledge, but I don't have the time or need.
>This is
>a PROFESSIONAL mail administrator's class for people who do this most of
>their lives
>or are going to teach it to someone else.
>
>Is the teacher worth $2K per person? If it is Eric Allman, you bet, but
>he does
>not get all that money, as some goes to travel expenses, materials, etc.
>And like
>any instructor, there is preparation time beforehand.
>
>As to showing up at a LUG meeting and no one shows up, I have no
>information or
>explanation on this other than "hit shappens", and I am sure whoever
>called that
>meeting is now kicking themselves for not being able to send out the
>cancellation
>notice earlier. But this type of thing is not limited to Linux, and is
>not the
>norm.
>
>In the meantime, perhaps one of the LUGs could set up an "end-user" or low-end
>sendmail night.
>
>md
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