On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Alexandre Kaspar <[email protected]> wrote: > +1, I don't like the point of having menus everywhere. > > I've heard there will be a new "application" menu at the place where we > have the application name / icon. What about using the remaining free > area for the current window menu (i.e. the one we currently target) ? > > I know there's an obvious trouble with the target since if it's the one > in focus, then we have to click on a window to access its menu, but we > could think of the current target as the one the mouse is over. > Although I don't really like that version either... I'd find it a pain. > > What I am sure is that for many applications, I don't like the current > waste of space. Often, the menus are just not useful in the frame of the > window, whereas we could easily put them in the title bar (which is > almost free now, complete waste of space in my opinion) ! > > And I guess it's not that complicated since there's already a > global-menu which somehow works with GTK. I currently really like Ubuntu > next UI design, even though I'm on Fedora and will probably stay there > for some more time...
It's very complicated. Ubuntu has the ability because they can patch all the toolkits downstream. > The current UI changes I would like to see : > 1. Move the window menubar somewhere else, either the firefox 4 way, or > merging menubar and titlebar in some other way. I know we need to keep a > somewhat large empty space to grab the window (even though we still have > the ALT+Grab way to move windows, we need a Mouse-only way which isn't > too hard). > I guess the best would be to keep the titlebar, remove the menubar and > use window name (which we'd put on the left) as a point of access to the > menubar menu. This will be easier when we get client-side decorations. Right now, the window manager displays decorations and the client paints the menu bar. > 2. Use contextual optimization of the UI such as for the scrollbar which > do not need to be completely displayed all the time. > > Scrollbars are wasting space, and if we want to minimize them, then the > ergonomy just blows up. Shuttleworth's point of view [1] is the good one > in my opinion. Just minimize the scrollbar completely (remains a small > line highlight to mark the scroll range / position), and generate an > over-scrollbar when we need one, i.e. when the mouse come close to the > highlight. On my screen, the width of the scroll bar is smaller than my cursor. Not a big win for screen space. > But what about these potential changes, where should they be implemented > and how ? > Can we act on the titlebar ? I guess by using GTK information or other > new application / .desktop information we could generate the menu in the > titlebar. If you want to make the GTK patches to get client-side-decorations working and looking good so you can merge the titlebar and menu bars, feel free. > What about the scrollbar ? I guess it's completely to the UI to take > care of it, i.e. GTK/QT/whatever related ? It is. Again, Ubuntu can do that because they can take GTK+, Qt, XUL and UFO and glue ayatana-scrollbar into it without many people complaining. The "gnome project" doesn't really have that choice. > I personnally think the current state of the UI is not really elegant. > There are good attempt to improve it ( I really love the new menus of > Gnome-Shell in the status area ), but there should be more. UI design > didn't really change for the last 10 years almost... (ok, that's > sarcasm, changes happened, but they were really minor) > > And even though GnomeShell is a good change, it's really minor > relatively to what I thought it could have been. There's a change, yes, > but it's not radical enough. There's people who think it's too radical. > Hoping there'll UI will evolve a bit > Alexandre Kaspar > > [1] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/615 > >> Hi, I just want to give my opinion. I think that Gnome-Shell waste a >> lot of >> space in my little screen, we have those Big window titles, with those >> Big >> controls; we have a panel with a lot of empty space and no way to >> autohide... >> >> Whats the plans for the menus? I think that Unity global menu is a >> great way to >> get more screen for the user; or the chrome-firefox style. >> What about a compact theme? > -- > http://www.wox-xion.ch > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > _______________________________________________ gnome-shell-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
