Hi there,

I am not sure of the most best gnome-list to post to - as i am using gnome3,
but not actually using the shell. but being as Gnome-shell list seems to be
the closest thing to an actual gnome3-list...and since my questions have to
do with gnome3, specifically - i thought maybe someone on this list, could
help me out.

I have a few questions about gnome3, and some issues i am trying to work
through.

1. gsettings - i am having an issue where i can't seem to find where
gsettings stores it's objects for gnome-panel;

in dconf-editor this would be org > gnome > gnome-panel > objects.

I don't seem to be able to remove them from inside of dconf (unless there is
some special hotkey to allow removal??)

I would like to remove all objects, as i accidentally duplicated some of
them, when i was adding/removing panels. Removal would include, any listing
of gnome-panel and any and all objects related to gnome-panel from my
gsettings.

my desktop isn't actually running gnome-panel, and i would like to remove
these objects, just to clean up gsettings/dconf. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

I have been using gsettings from the commandline to familiarize myself with
how it works as well, but i see no way to actually remove objects from the
list - only how to change the "object-id-list" key. I have also looked at
all of the org.gnome-panel*  found in the linux file-system, i see no way of
removing the objects accidentally created from the list in
gsettings/dconf-editor - or even the presence of the extra objects (mine is
showing 3 clocks, workspace-switcher, etc.)

2. I have removed gnome-panel from my desktop, but done so in a very hackish
way. I have changed the default toplevel-id-list / object-id-list in
gsettings/dconf to "[ ]"..  leaving them blank, will cause gnome-panel to
not be able to create an initial panel layout, causing it to fail to
load....

 however, this has one negative consequence. to be persistent across
booting, i seem have a .desktop entry that executes my gsettings to make
sure these settings are applied... - but, when 1st loading gnome after
booting, it adds about 10 seconds to my boot-time (well, being able to do
anything on my gnome-desktop anyway).

So, basically i am looking for an elegant solution for #2, that will get rid
of the added loading time, i also think that question #1's solution will
play into fixing this....

I do realize that most people on this list probably don't get why i am
trying to do this, but I am attempting to keep gnome3 as desktop/application
- agnostic as possible, so i can continue to use the tools, that i choose to
use - that are not a good fit or incompatible with Gnome-Shell.... or that
gnome-shell has replaced with tools/apps, that I don't like, want or plan on
using.

It would be nice if gsettings itself, had an elegant simple way to switch
off the panel, run it without showing it would be even better - for the many
gnome-users who are unlikely to adopt Gnome-shell. And when i say that, i
mean no offense - so please don't take it that way!!

1. There are many practical reasons to not want to use things like a
compositing window manager - or maybe the end-user would rather use a
different compositor, such as compiz or Cairo, over using Mutter...

2. in the case of gnome-panel, where gnome-panel could be replaced with a
more powerful panel or dock, that is outside of gnome-developers plans, and
leaving gnome-panel adds clutter to the desktop and has no practical use...

anyways, if someone has an idea/solution of how to remove gsettings objects,
and fix the annoyance of gnome-panel - please let me know, i would be very
appreciative of any insights you have to offer on these subjects.

thanks,

MFrW
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