Thanks for the responses. After reading through https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/AppMenu and https://live.gnome.org/Design/Whiteboards/Menus it seems as though they are working toward what will be a fairly ideal solution, that is to have global menu actions available from the AppMenu icon and local menu options available from some type of less intrusive local menu. I do like the Firefox/Chrome style menu integration, as well as the MegaMenus. I do hope they move to at least one of those options for the local menu, as they seem to be the best choice for screen real-estate. I also like the context-specific options.
I wonder, though, how many users will complain about having both a global menu and a local menu for each program. Thanks for the thoughtful responses and good links! Namaste. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 10:48 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send gnome-shell-list mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnome-shell-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Unity-Style Menu (Matthew Planchard) > 2. Re: Why Favorites are not on the top bar? (David Prieto) > 3. Re: Unity-Style Menu (Adam Tauno Williams) > 4. Re: Unity-Style Menu (Florian M?llner) > 5. Re: Unity-Style Menu (Reiner Jung) > 6. Re: Unity-Style Menu (David Prieto) > 7. Re: Why Favorites are not on the top bar? (Denys Vlasenko) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:47:25 -0500 > From: Matthew Planchard <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Unity-Style Menu > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi All, > > First, I'd like to say that I really like the Gnome3 shell. It was > definitely a surprise at first, but it's gotten to be very intuitive. In > fact, I recently installed Ubuntu Natty Narwhal to try out their new Unity > interface, and I found it to be slow, clunky, and poorly integrated in > comparison to Gnome3. The combination Expose/Dash feature is probably my > favorite thing, and I just discovered that you can switch between windows > of > an open program with Alt+(key above tab), which fixes my long-standing > annoyance that I couldn't just switch between menus of an open program. > > My time piddling about in Unity, though, has brought an idea to mind, which > I wanted to share with you. One of the cooler features they have is the > integration of the menu into the top bar. It gives the user more screen > space and recognizes that generally, no one needs to see the menus unless > they need to. However, they put the menus into the top bar in a fashion > whereby when the user hovers over the application title, all menu options > appear on the top bar, sometimes replacing other useful information. > > My idea is that since Gnome3 already has a clickable application icon on > the > top bar that opens a menu with a "close" option, why not just go ahead and > insert the entire program menu? This would increase visible screen space > for > the users, while providing an intuitive way to access the program menus. In > fact, when I first saw the icon along the top, I thought that is what it > would do. > > So, it's just an idea, and I cannot imagine that it has not occurred to you > previously, but I wanted to put it out there anyway. I think it would be a > really fantastic idea. > > Thanks again for a fantastic desktop. I look forward to future updates. > > Namaste. > Matt > > -- > Take a few minutes just to sit and breathe. > The world will wait for you. > > My Google Profile <http://www.google.com/profiles/msplanchard> > Follow me on Twitter! <http://twitter.com/#!/coda1229> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20110506/68f7aca0/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:48:40 +0200 > From: David Prieto <[email protected]> > To: Denys Vlasenko <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Why Favorites are not on the top bar? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That way they are much bigger, and thus easier to reach. > > Hey, that one was easy :-D > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20110506/7b0d87d4/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 11:03:32 -0400 > From: Adam Tauno Williams <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Unity-Style Menu > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 09:47 -0500, Matthew Planchard wrote: > > First, I'd like to say that I really like the Gnome3 shell. > > Me too. > > > It was definitely a surprise at first, but it's gotten to be very > > intuitive. > > Same experience. > > > feature is probably my favorite thing, and I just discovered that you > > can switch between windows of an open program with Alt+(key above > > tab), which fixes my long-standing annoyance that I couldn't just > > I just learned about that yesterday; it does rock. > > > My time piddling about in Unity, though, has brought an idea to mind, > > which I wanted to share with you. One of the cooler features they have > > is the integration of the menu into the top bar. It gives the user > > more screen space and recognizes that generally, no one needs to see > > the menus unless they need to. > > Someone brings this up on this list almost every week [app menus in the > top bar]. > > Personally I hope this *never* happens. It just puts the menu further > away from the data. In a limited environment [like a tablet] all apps > run maximized / full-screen anyway. So there is no win for anybody. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 17:06:33 +0200 > From: Florian M?llner <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Unity-Style Menu > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 09:47 -0500, Matthew Planchard wrote: > > My idea is that since Gnome3 already has a clickable application icon > > on the top bar that opens a menu with a "close" option, why not just > > go ahead and insert the entire program menu? This would increase > > visible screen space for the users, while providing an intuitive way > > to access the program menus. In fact, when I first saw the icon along > > the top, I thought that is what it would do. > > At least for the time being, the plan is to add actions which affect the > application as a whole (e.g. Preferences, Help, ...) there, not the > entire menu - actions which only apply to a specific window/document > should not move. > > There are some efforts on the design side though to come up with a > replacement for menu bars (think "menu button" in Firefox/Chromium). > See https://live.gnome.org/Design/Whiteboards/Menus for reference. > > Florian > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 17:00:33 +0200 > From: Reiner Jung <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Unity-Style Menu > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Matthew > > if I am not completely mistaken, this has been discussed and rejected > several times on this list. > > However, if there would be a voting for such feature. I would go for > this topbar menu thing. > > I for myself run Gnome3 at home and unity on my business machine. And at > the beginning they both were annoying. However, I learned to work with > them and now I like both to some degree. Some things are really neat in > GnomeShell and some are really good in Unity. > > Greetz > Reiner > > BTW: App indicators are also a nice idea. And I hope the Gnome-folks > would look into it. > > On 05/06/2011 04:47 PM, Matthew Planchard wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > First, I'd like to say that I really like the Gnome3 shell. It was > > definitely a surprise at first, but it's gotten to be very intuitive. In > > fact, I recently installed Ubuntu Natty Narwhal to try out their new > > Unity interface, and I found it to be slow, clunky, and poorly > > integrated in comparison to Gnome3. The combination Expose/Dash feature > > is probably my favorite thing, and I just discovered that you can switch > > between windows of an open program with Alt+(key above tab), which fixes > > my long-standing annoyance that I couldn't just switch between menus of > > an open program. > > > > My time piddling about in Unity, though, has brought an idea to mind, > > which I wanted to share with you. One of the cooler features they have > > is the integration of the menu into the top bar. It gives the user more > > screen space and recognizes that generally, no one needs to see the > > menus unless they need to. However, they put the menus into the top bar > > in a fashion whereby when the user hovers over the application title, > > all menu options appear on the top bar, sometimes replacing other useful > > information. > > > > My idea is that since Gnome3 already has a clickable application icon on > > the top bar that opens a menu with a "close" option, why not just go > > ahead and insert the entire program menu? This would increase visible > > screen space for the users, while providing an intuitive way to access > > the program menus. In fact, when I first saw the icon along the top, I > > thought that is what it would do. > > > > So, it's just an idea, and I cannot imagine that it has not occurred to > > you previously, but I wanted to put it out there anyway. I think it > > would be a really fantastic idea. > > > > Thanks again for a fantastic desktop. I look forward to future updates. > > > > Namaste. > > Matt > > > > -- > > Take a few minutes just to sit and breathe. > > The world will wait for you. > > > > My Google Profile <http://www.google.com/profiles/msplanchard> > > Follow me on Twitter! <http://twitter.com/#!/coda1229> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-shell-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:37:52 +0200 > From: David Prieto <[email protected]> > To: Florian M?llner <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Unity-Style Menu > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Florian, > > There are some efforts on the design side though to come up with a > > replacement for menu bars (think "menu button" in Firefox/Chromium). > > See https://live.gnome.org/Design/Whiteboards/Menus for reference. > > > > Wow, the mega menus< > http://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/raw/master/mockups/menu-experiments/eog-menu-experiments.png > >really > do look great. I would like to have something like that on the > titlebar, open it by pressing Alt, open it on a specific column by pressing > Alt+key. Same functionality we have today, without the wasted space and the > bad looks. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/attachments/20110506/f2d3cf83/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 17:48:16 +0200 > From: Denys Vlasenko <[email protected]> > To: Justin Edwards <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Why Favorites are not on the top bar? > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Fri, 2011-05-06 at 10:02 -0500, Justin Edwards wrote: > > Why why why why. Rtfm and stop trolling. > > I already read the said manual. > -- > vda > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-shell-list mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > > End of gnome-shell-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 47 > ************************************************ > -- Take a few minutes just to sit and breathe. The world will wait for you. My Google Profile <http://www.google.com/profiles/msplanchard> Follow me on Twitter! <http://twitter.com/#!/coda1229>
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