2010/12/17 Joshua Ismael <[email protected]> > On 16/12/10 09:53, Marcos David Cáceres wrote: >
Hola. > > > El 16 de diciembre de 2010 10:16, Nicolás Reynolds > <[email protected]>escribió: > >> El 16/12/10 11:12, Henry Jensen dijo: >> > Thanks for your work. As I see it the main difference between the >> > Squeeze kernel and Linux-Libre is the ability to load non-free firmware >> > and as such the very mentioning of non-free firmware files in the >> > soruce code. >> > >> > The Squeeze kernel is still able to load non-free firmware, but it's >> > not delivered in the main repository (it is in the non-free repo, >> > AFAIK). >> > >> > Linux-Libre isn't able to load non-free firmware, even if you obtain >> > the non-free firmware files somehow. >> > >> > So, it's a matter of attitude. Do we give the user the opportunity to >> > use non-free software if he wishes to do so, despite the >> > recommendations, or do we prevent it proactively? >> > >> > For example, GNU Icecat doesn't suggest non-free plugins. But Icecat is >> > still able to load non-free plugins, it is not prevented proactively. >> > Of course, the main difference is, that non-free software isn't >> > mentioned in the Icecat source code (at least I assume so, I didn't >> > check), where non-free software is explicitly mentioned hard-coded in >> > the source code, so the situation is only slightly comparable. >> > >> > Giving the user the ability to use non-free software without any >> > comment leads to a situation where unexperienced users might be not >> > knowing what they are doing. For example Debian help forums are full of >> > advices for novice users to activate the non-free repository. Same goes >> > for Fedora where novice users are encouraged in forums to integrate >> > non-official repositories with non-free software. >> > >> > To proactively prevent the use of non-free software on the other hand >> > is censorship. I recall RMS pointing out in an interview that any free >> > operating system should allow to do anything. I CC him, maybe he has >> > some thoughts to add. >> > >> > Kind regards, >> > >> > Henry >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:56:07 -0800 (PST) >> > "Jason Self" <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > In light of Debian's recent announcement [1] I and others were >> interested in how >> > > well the Debian folks cleaned up their kernel. I proceeded to grab the >> source >> > > for the Squeeze kernel, ran the linux-libre deblobbing script on it, >> and then >> > > diffed it against the original to see what had changed. >> > > >> > > The full deblob log [2] & diff [3] is available to anyone that's >> interested in >> > > knowing. >> > > >> > > [1] http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20101215 >> > > [2] http://aws.bluehome.net/squeeze_kernel_deblog_log.txt >> > > [3] http://aws.bluehome.net/squeeze_kernel_diff.txt >> >> >> I recall this discussion had place a year ago between linux-libre and >> ututo (I >> mean between people behind those projects), where your same arguments were >> used. >> >> And IIRC, finally there was a note in the linux-libre site saying that >> loading >> nonfree firmware isn't banned anymore. Haven't tested it though, and I >> can't >> seem to find it... >> >> I'm CCing the lists where the discussion had place. >> >> -- >> Salud! >> Nicolás Reynolds, >> xmpp:[email protected] <xmpp%[email protected]> >> omb:http://identi.ca/fauno >> blog:http://selfdandi.com.ar/ >> gnu/linux <http://selfdandi.com.ar/%0Agnu/linux> user #455044 >> >> http://librecultivo.org.ar >> http://parabolagnulinux.org >> >> > A ver si entiendo. Esta es la eterna discusión de si quien es más papista > que el papa, no? > La gente de Debian dice (por lo que logré entender) que prohibir la carga > de blobs propietarias es 'censurador' y otra gente dice que el kernel, para > ser libre (como linux-libre) no debería siquiera permitir esto, no? > > No, precisamente están diciendo que para considerarlo como > libre, no debería impedir hacer nada. Por lo tanto, linux-libre > ofusca los nombres de los archivos y de ésta manera no > recomienda módulos privativos pero puede cargarlos. > no en las pruebas que hicimos en Musix, los privativos no los puedes cargar. Sólo los libres, tipo open-b43. No recuerdo en los anteriores, pero a partir del 2.6.31-libre, responde como ya comenté. > > [he asked for an explanation, little explanation given in spanish] > Saludos. -- José A. González Siempre GNU Linux.
