On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 21:57:24 -0400 Richard wrote: > I think "third party" is not a very good concept to explain what these > things are and why they are an issue. It focuses conceptually on the > relationship that they have to distros, rather than on why they exist.
"third-party" is much more significant - the term was taken directly from the FSDG > Nor should the distribution refer to third-party repositories that > are not committed to only including free software; their problem with them is not the languages nor _why_ they exist - their problem is the mere fact that they do exist and are widely used by and desirable to users; but are operated by people who do not share our values, and thwart our attempts to uphold them if their operators shared our values, there would be no problem - the haskell repos are only exception that i know of On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 21:57:24 -0400 Richard wrote: > > that alone makes them all very ugly and undesirable from the distro's > > perspective - all things being equal, we should not need any of them - > they all > > exist because windows and mac do not have proper package management; so > every > > programming language established their own > > I agree completely, but there is noi use fulminating against them. > If we want this problem fixed, we have to fix it. ok, but that is the reason "why they exist", which you just offered as the primary motivation for fixing them - i was suggesting that we really dont need them at all; because we have proper package management already - those are intended for, and mainly useful for someone else's systems
