>
> Why is there a suggested move away from money? It's a useful way to keep
> track of things.
>
What does money keep track of? Suggested reading:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/wiki/File:Modern_Money_Mechanics.pdf

wayne

>
> > First, we need to purchase the components to build the services we
> provide to ourselves;
> > Second, in order to connect with the wider existing network (initially,
> anyway) we need some entry point into that network which is likely to be a
> utility service provided by the extant capitalist system.
> >
> > But where does the money for interfacing in these ways come from?
> According to one of your statements, in the VIPM services and products are
> offered for the promise of future work. Yet such promises do not pay the
> utility or component costs of operating an ISP...and that is -just- the
> ISP.
> >
> > What about other vital services and products? Such as those related to
> personal transportation; for instance, I ride bike everywhere I go and
> bikes are not, any more than computer equipment, exempt from the laws of
> entropy and will always on a long enough timeline require maintenance or
> replacement. What about healthcare? It is fine to suggest that someone with
> a degree in medicine -should- provide those services for the promise of
> future repayment from patients, yet this kind of promise does not provide
> any financial liability buffer against legal action involved in malpractice
> disputes. Even IF you manage to construct an effective legal barrier
> against such actions, what recourse is there for those who feel they have
> been wronged by those providing healthcare? Does the legal barrier allow
> any person claiming to have medical knowledge or experience practice
> without qualification?
> >
> > Don't get me wrong; I am all about owning the means of production. I am
> currently involved in an ongoing discussion with the owner of the company I
> work for, trying to convince him to turn the company into a democratic,
> worker-owned cooperative. I also donate time and money volunteering at my
> local independent media center: by the end of the summer, we hope to be
> hosting our own Diaspora server and community wiki.
> >
> > wayne
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Ramana Kumar <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It seems like what you are describing is basically a cooperative (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative). How do your proposals differ
> from setting up a cooperative for, e.g., internet access, if they do? Would
> cooperatives be a viable option for achieving our goals and our freedom?
> >>
> >> Also, what do you have to say about the normal way for people to own
> for-profit companies, namely by buying shares? If we organised to own most
> of an existing company this way could we not achieve our goals?
> >>
> >>
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