wayne, steve wrote: > A) There is initially no guarantee of buy-in to > the VIPM by professional healthcare providers
Yes, and this is not limited to healthcare. During the inital 'boot' stage, the VIPM will only be able to provide the most basic services similar to an Occupy encampment. There will be raw land, cold but clean water, tents, trench toilets, very simple cafeteria-style food, used but clean clothing, basic "first-aid" type healthcare. All of these things must be paid for by Consumers who are investing/crowd-funding/pre-paying for Products that will eventually be created within the VIPM. If we are lucky, we might be able to attract some coporations to give us some funds or products. If you require advanced healthcare or cannot live in this way for any other reason, you will just need to wait until the VIPM has developed further before you join as a worker. > B) If I work with a group of people to provide VIPM > service or product, then a significant amount of my > time and effort goes into providing that service or > product with only the promise of future payment with > some other product or service rather than payment > with the money I need to seek healthcare in the > external economy (see point A). I'm glad you brought this up. I only partly understand how this will work, and even that is difficult to explain, and so I have never written it down. For as long as we need Products outside the VIPM we will need plain-old-money to pay for those things. This requires offsite Consumers to invest in the VIPM and continue to pay recurring Costs with money instead of with work. Maybe a small part of the money these offsite Consumers pay (both as initial investment and as recurring Costs) can be given to workers directly, but it worries me... I think this money should only be given directly to workers when it cannot be more effectively invested for them toward buying the MoP and attacting the other workers needed to supply the Products they need. We must somehow balance the worker's need for freedom with the all-to-common tendency to never sufficiently prepare for tomorrow. We don't want the VIPM to be a "Nanny-State", but we also don't want a bunch of poor workers who are living paycheck-to-paycheck. One way the workers are being compenstated is by their recieving some co-ownership in the MoP for which they need the outputs. But these assets will not be immediately productive. And so, during the 'boot phase, workers must also be 'paid' directly with Products bought in bulk with part of the funds provided by the pre-paying Consumers and doled-out by the VIPM organizers. This is a very dangerous situation, both for the organizers [who might accept workers who do not work], and for the workers [who are dependent upon the organizers to supply them with the things they need, and do not yet have any productive assets]. > student loans I'm not yet sure what to do about this. _______________________________________________ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
