Jean Louis, le jeu. 02 janv. 2020 22:12:45 +0100, a ecrit: > but if blind user wish to draw on GIMP graphical program, forget about > it.
Sure. So what? The UN only requires reasonable accomodation, not doing the impossible. And making accessible software is not that complex. Just like making internationalizable software is not either. > Blind user is impaired user and cannot possibly have capacity as > non-blind user can. And still there is very little they would not be able to do if some little effort was made. > Just speak transparently, I don't even have a feeling that "all" > relates to blind users only, Of course, that was just an example. > so please speak transparently, and tell which other groups you think > should be included, Colorblind, deaf, old, girls, non-english speakers, ... > like what is actually the problem there? To put it perhaps simply: simply caring about trying to include all people, not just the people we happen to be used to. > As so far I know GNU is already for everybody, and many accessibility > features are alread there. And way many more are missing. For instance there is *no* really good free speech synthesis, and let alone speech recognition. That makes a lot of people prefer to install non-free software on their GNU-based system, because they need higher quality speech to be able to work. > So I cannot believe that blind users are some "problem" that has to > be resolved by imposing certain features to be programmed by GNU > programmers. A screen reader used by a blind person can't work if applications don't somehow provide the text they show on the screen. Gtk does a fair good part of the work, but as soon as an application invents its own widget, it has to provide that kind of information, to be accessible to blind people. > That would not bring more contributors, that policy would be damaging, > not supporting. And yet we have succeeded in including internationalization, even if adding that policy would have been considered damaging, not supporting. > Can we hear from blind users? The GNU project does have an accessibility@ mailing with quite a few subscribers. One thread probably worth reading is https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/accessibility/2010-07/msg00048.html > Did any of those blind users file a bug for any specific GNU software? To many, yes. Just mentioning gnome for instance. > If you are their representative, could you provide us some credible > references of your representation? > > Been doing that for twenty years already. > Pleas give me reference to those bugs filed, if you have been doing it > 20 years, there shall be many bugs filed for blind users. > Waiting for the list of your bugs filed in last 20 years and comments > from actual blind users. This sounds so much like a joke to my ears... I will of course not spend time on collecting that, just putting a few urls out of my mind, where you will find the homework you could have done yourself. http://brl.thefreecat.org/ http://youpibouh.thefreecat.org/bugzilla.html https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=a11y https://blends.debian.org/accessibility/ > > As mentioned previously, it's even the UN itself which does impose > > it. > > UN impose also the freedom of travel anywhere you wish, meaning that > no passport is required, but that is not a reality. That doesn't mean that countries should not try to aim for it like Europe did at least internally. > attempt from you few guys to take over GNU project under some kind of > self-imposed government and with a lot of hidden agenda. Repeating something diffamatory ad nauseam does not make it magically true. Samuel