So where exactly is Hurd in development? I checked and it seems to be available 
in x86 but not x64. What would it take for one or more people to get it up to 
date with the latest hardware?


Nov 12, 2019, 12:02 by nipponm...@firemail.cc:

> With linux-libre one is still beholden to the decisions of those in control 
> of the upstream linux project. In the past, during the 90s and first 
> half-decade of the 2000s these were hackers, who had self-agency, and thus 
> could be trusted to atleast do what is best for programmer-users such as 
> themselves. What they had was their pride as a hacker: and the credibility 
> attached to their handle.
>
> Today the hackers are gone; shut out. Even linus has been "canceled", and has 
> been brought to heel. Those who are in control of the code are hirelings, who 
> do not have agency of their own, donated by various corporate entities, who 
> answer not to their own conscience but to their paymaster. The deal gets 
> worse every day.
>
> There is even DRM (yes that DRM) going into Linux now.
>
> [Other Note: why is my CC line: gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org, 
> gnu-system-discuss 
> <gnu-system-discuss-bounces+nipponmail=firemail...@gnu.org> , isn't one 
> gnu-system-discuss enough?]
>
> On 2019-11-12 08:53, Jean Louis wrote:
>
>> * Alexander Vdolainen <a...@vapaa.xyz> [2019-11-12 14:14]:
>>
>>> however, if we're going to speak about GNU system we're limited with a few
>>> components:
>>>  - GNU userland - ok it exists
>>>  - GNU toolchain - yep it works
>>>  - GNU kernel/system services - ... nope
>>> I know linux kernel just works, but it's not a GNU project.
>>>
>>
>> Software need not be GNU project to be part of GNU. A purely GNU
>> system includes, by definition, non-GNU packages:
>> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnu-misc-discuss/2019-11/msg00356.html
>> https://www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.html
>>
>> Quote from GNU Manifesto:
>>
>> "When the kernel and compiler are finished, it will be possible to
>> distribute a GNU system suitable for program development. We will use
>> TeX as our text formatter, but an nroff is being worked on. We will
>> use the free, portable X Window System as well."
>>
>> GNU/Linux-libre is GNU project. Please see:
>> https://www.gnu.org/s/linux-libre
>>
>> Thus GNU has the kernel Linux-libre, and Hurd, and other kernels could
>> become GNU project.
>>
>> GNU system was not envisioned to be purely GNU system from its
>> inception.
>>
>> Jean
>>

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