>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:28:27 -0700 (PDT), Rob Walker
>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Rob> I think I will fire up quicken now and see what their charts look
Rob> like.  Any objections?

I opened up "Quicken 5 for Windows", and clicked on help, search.
"chart of accounts", return.

I quote below.


"
Title: Chart of accounts

Balance sheet accounts (your business assets, liabilities, and
capital) are equivalent to Quicken bank, cash, credit or charge card,
other asset, other liability, and investment accounts.

Income statement accounts (your business revenue and expenses) are
equivalent to Quicken income and expense _categories._ Income
statement accounts are also called profit and loss accounts.

for more information, contact Intuit Direct Sales and ask for a copy
of the <i>Quicken Business User's guide.</i> _Click here_ for the
phone number.
"

If you click on _categories_, you get 

"
Title: Category

A specific way of identifying your transactions by income and expense
item; for example, Utilities, Groceries, and Salary.  You can then use 
quicken to create graphs of various aspects of your finances. _More
detail>_

"

Clicking on _More detail_

"
Title: What is a category?

A useful label

In Quicken, categories are labels that you can apply to transactions.
You use them to keep track of where your money comes from and where it 
goes.  Examples of categories that you might use are "Salary,"
"Groceries," and "Utilities."

Categories extend the power of Quicken

When you categorize your transactions, Quicken reports, graphs, and
budgets become much more meaningful.  You can create reports and
graphs that tell you how much you spend on items like food,
entertainment, or mortgage interest; or how much income you receive
from sources like salary, dividends, or interest.  To see a sample
report that shows the importance of categoris, _click here._

See a list of...

_Quicken's standard home categories_
_Quicken's standard business categories_

"

Clicking on _Quicken's standard home categories_

"
Title: Quicken's standard home categories

If you installed Quicken with the Canadian Taxpayer box selected, your 
list of categories is different.  For details, _click here_.

_Category_      _Type_  _Tax_   _Description_
Bonus           Income  Tax     Bonus Income
Div Income      Income  Tax     Dividend Income
Gift Received   Income          Gift Received
Int Inc         Income  Tax     Interest Income
Invest Inc      Income  Tax     Investment Income
Online Data Inc Income          Online Banking Income
Other Inc       Income  Tax     Other Income
Salary          Income  Tax     Salary Income

Auto            Expense         Automobile Expenses
  Fuel          Sub             Auto Fuel
  Insurance     Sub             Auto Insurance
  Loan          Sub             Auto Loan Payment
  Service       Sub             Auto Service
Bank Chrg       Expense         Bank Charge
Charity         Expense Tax     Charitable Donations
  Cash Contrib. Sub     Tax     Cash Contributions
  Non-Cash      Sub     Tax     Non-Cash Contributions
Childcare       Expense Tax     Childcare Expense
Clothing        Expense         Clothing
Dining          Expense         Dining Out
Education       Expense         Education
Entertain       Expense         Entertainment
Gifts           Expense         Gift Expenses
Groceries       Expense         Groceries
Home Repair     Expense         Home Repair & Maint.
Housing         Expense         Housing
Insurance       Expense         Insurance
Int Exp         Expense Tax     Interest Expense
Invest Exp      Expense Tax     Investment Expense
IRA Contrib     Expense Tax     IRA Contribution
IRA Contrib Spo Expense Tax     IRA Contribution Spouse
Medical         Expense Tax     Medical Expense
  Doctor        Sub     Tax     Doctor & Dental Visits
  Medicine      Sub     Tax     Medicine & Drugs
Misc            Expense         Miscellaneous
Mort Int        Expense Tax     Mortgage Interest Exp
Online Data Exp Expense Tax     Online Banking Expense
Other Exp       Expense         Other Expenses
Recreation      Expense         Recreation Expense
Subscriptions   Expense         Subscriptions
Supplies        Expense         Supplies
Tax             Expense Tax     Taxes
  Fed           Sub     Tax     Federal Tax
  Medicare      Sub     Tax     Medicare Tax
  Other         Sub     Tax     Misc. Taxes
  Property      Sub     Tax     Property Tax
  Soc. Sec.     Sub     Tax     Soc. Sec. Tax
  State         Sub     Tax     State Tax
Tax Spouse      Expense Tax     Spouse's Taxes
  Fed           Sub     Tax     Federal Tax
  Medicare      Sub     Tax     Medicare Tax
  Other         Sub     Tax     Misc. Taxes
  Property      Sub     Tax     Property Tax
  Soc. Sec.     Sub     Tax     Soc. Sec. Tax
  State         Sub     Tax     State Tax
Telephone       Expense         Telephone Expense
Utilities       Expense         Water, Gas, Electric
  Gas & ElectricSub             Gas & Electricity
  Water         Sub             Water

"

Clicking on _Quicken's standard business categories_

"
Title: Quicken's standard business categories

_Category_      _Type_  _Tax_   _Description_
Gr Sales        Income  Tax     Gross Sales

Ads             Expense Tax     Advertising
Car             Expense Tax     Car & Truck
Commission      Expense Tax     Commissions
Insurance, Bus  Expense Tax     Insurance (not health)
Int Paid        Expense Tax     Interest Paid
L&P Fees        Expense Tax     Legal & Prof. Fees
Late Fees       Expense Tax     Late Payment Fees
Meals & Entertn Expense Tax     Meals & Entertainment
Office          Expense Tax     Office Expenses
Rent on Equip   Expense Tax     Rent-Vehicle, mach, equip
Rent Paid       Expense Tax     Rent Paid
Repairs         Expense Tax     Returns & Allowances
Supplies, Bus   Expense Tax     Supplies
Tax, Business   Expense Tax     Taxes & Lisences
  Fed           Expense Sub     Federal Tax
  Local         Expense Sub     Local Tax
  Property      Expense Sub     Property Tax
  State         Expense Sub     State Tax
Telephone, Bus  Expense Tax     Telephone Expense
Travel          Expense Tax     Travel Expenses
Utilities, Bus  Expense Tax     Water, Gas, Electric
Wages           Expense Tax     Wages & Job Credits

"

now, this is just a starting point.  The help printed at
http://www.onlinewbc.org/docs/finance/bkpg_acct.html is certainly
helpful.

Here is the ex_cofa.txt which I exported from Star Office.

       "Simple Production Shop Chart of Accounts"      
                
"Asset Accounts"                
        "Current Assets"        
        1001    "Cash in bank"
        1003    "Petty Cash account"
        1005    "Inventory"
        1008    "Accounts Receivable"
        1012    "Prepaid Expense"
                
        "Long Term Assets"      
        1200    "Land"
        1300    "Buildings"
        1301    "Accumulated  Depreciation, buildings"
        1400    "Vehicles"
        1401    "Accumulated Depreciation, vehicles"
        1600    "Shop Equipment"
        1601    "Accumulated Depreciation, shop equipment"
        1700    "Office Equipment"
        1701    "Accumulated Depreciation, office equipment"
                
        "Other Assets"  
        1800    "Deposits"
                
"Liability Accounts"            
        "Current Liabilities"   
        2002    "Accounts Payable"
        2100    "Employment tax Payable"
        2300    "Short term loans payable"
        2350    "Customer Deposits"
        2385    "Current Portion of Long Term Debt"
        2400    "Suspense"
                
        "Long Term Liabilities" 
        2501    "Land Payable"
        2505    "Equipment Payable"
        2510    "Vehicles Payable"
        2514    "Bank Loans payable"
        2551    "Less Current Portion LTD"
        2750    "Paid in Capital"
        2825    "Beginning equity"
        2830    "Partners Contribution"
        2835    "Partners Draw"
                
"Sales Accounts"                
        3010    "Frame Sales"
        3015    "Other sales"
                
"Direct Expense Accounts"               
        4010    "Shop or Design Labor"
        4015    "Payroll Tax Expense"
        4023    "Workers Comp Expense"
        4027    "State Sales Tax Expense"
        4101    "Materials"
        4200    "Freight"
        4326    "Engineering"
        4510    "Outside Services"
        4550    "Shop or design supplies"
        4647    "Rental expense"
        4700    "Repair and Maintenance"
        4809    "Small tools"
        4830    "Travel"
        4843    "Lodging"
        4849    "Meals"
                
"Indirect Expense Accounts  (overhead)"         
        5010    "Salaries & wages, office & sales"
        5015    "Payroll tax expense, office & sales"
        5023    "Workers Comp Expense, office & sales"
        5300    "Accounting"
        5312    "Advertising"
        5330    "Bank Fees"
        5341    "Depreciation expense"
        5345    "Dues and Subscriptions"
        5353    "Insurance: Product Liability "
        5355    "Insurance: vehicles"
        5358    "Legal Fees"
        5550    "Office supplies"
        5600    "Postage"
        5618    "Research and Development"
        5700    "Repair and Maintenace, office"
        5762    "Taxes and licenses"
        5775    "Telephone"
        5813    "Training"
        5820    "Utilities"
                
"Other Accounts"                
        7050    "Interest Income"
        7100    "Cash discounts"
        7200    "Gain or loss on sale of assets"
        8020    "Interest expense"



Using the information at the sbc site, I will convert the Quicken
categories to real categories, and add numbers.

rob

PS.  this .sig came up random.

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