SQLite uses libdbi, too. -derek
On Wed, August 15, 2018 1:49 pm, David T. via gnucash-user wrote: > Here is a newer version of the table: > > Storage Comparison Table > XML SQLite MySQL PostgreSQL > Installation Default Default libdbi libdbi > File extension gnucash gnucash N/A N/A > Additional software None None MySQL PostgreSQL > Additional expertise None None DBMS DBMS > Compression Y N N N > Save on command Y N N N > Save on commit N Y Y Y > Uses log files Y N N N > Multi-user N N N N > > How does that seem? > >> On Aug 15, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Adrien Monteleone >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 12:11 PM, David T. <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Adrien Monteleone >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> But it’s not a ‘plain file’ as it is XML formatted. Someone expecting >>>> plain text and trying to view it is going to be met with tag soup >>>> they’ve never seen before and might very well not know how to read it. >>> >>> Not to mention that it’s compressed. >> >> True, forgot about that. Certainly, they’ll see gibberish mostly. >> >>> >>>> >>>> It also carries an .xml extension. So specifying the format is very >>>> specific and informative, even for users who aren’t familiar with XML. >>>> They’ll see in their file manager the extension, and/or the OS’s >>>> interpretation of the file type itself. (in this case both XML) >>> >>> However, the file extension used is “gnucash” and not “xml” >> >> Facepalm. I forgot about that. (I honestly rarely even look at the >> location where it’s stored anyway) I’d suspect unless Win10 uses the >> file descriptor for file type instead of the extension as was the >> practice through at least Win7, then no, those users won’t see XML >> anywhere. (if the descriptor is set as XML that is) >> >> So I just checked on both MacOS and Ubuntu, MacOS reports the ‘Kind’ as >> ‘Gnucash Document’ regardless if sqlite or xml, and at least with xml, >> Ubuntu reports the file type as ’spreadsheet’. (yes, it’s registered to >> open with GnuCash, but this was built from source, so perhaps the file >> type was not registered properly, repo versions may vary) >> >> So I guess on that point I was way off. >> >> >>> Perhaps the save process needs to be refactored to identify clearly and >>> separately the name of the data file AND its format? >> >> Since .gnucash is not really proprietary or somehow a special format >> from XML then I agree, the extension should be .xml. >> >> Combine this with the fact that the sqlite version of the file ALSO uses >> the .gnucash extension can make for some confusion. At a glance, you >> can’t tell what the format is. You can’t even tell until you try to open >> it with something other than GnuCash. (or you notice that GnuCash >> doesn’t offer a Save option) The only reason I know which is which is I >> had to use filename.xml.gnucash to tell them apart. That’s a usability >> bug in my opinion. I don’t know how hard that is to change, but I’d >> support the move. >> >> On that note, the documentation somewhere (I suppose in the ‘file > >> save/save as’ section) should document that the extension is currently >> ‘.gnucash’. A new user shouldn’t have to go to a wiki or website FAQ >> after reading the documentation for something this basic. >> >> Would it be out of order to include in your table that both use this >> extension? If you expand the table to show MySQL and Postgres, I suppose >> that row would have some other note since their data stores are very >> different than single files. (though in this case they might store it >> that way, I haven’t used either to know) >> >> Regards, >> Adrien >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> Knowing this might very well help them find their file if they know >>>> the format they are looking for. >>>> >>>> But I do agree, the documentation should cover where files are stored. >>>> Ideally, this should be made part of the Help or Guide in the Getting >>>> Started section. It is certainly a common enough issue on the list. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Adrien >>>> >>>>> On Aug 15, 2018, at 10:24 AM, Christoph R >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>>> The default file storage format is XML >>>>> >>>>> I would not call this “XML" but "plain file”. From a user perspective >>>>> it is not important in which internal format it is stored. But it >>>>> makes a big difference if it is a simple file created by Gnucash or >>>>> if Gnucash needs to connect to a DBMS. >>>>> >>>>> And one of the biggest confusion for users on the mailing list is the >>>>> question: “Where is my data?”. Pointing out that all your accounts >>>>> and transactions are in a simple file might reduce that problem. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Christoph >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> [email protected] >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> ----- >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > _______________________________________________ > gnucash-user mailing list > [email protected] > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > ----- > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- Derek Atkins 617-623-3745 [email protected] www.ihtfp.com Computer and Internet Security Consultant _______________________________________________ gnucash-user mailing list [email protected] To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. ----- Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. 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